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Old 01-13-2018, 09:39 AM   #61
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The new diesels just aren't worth it. I could have got the same truck I have but the v8 cummins and it has less payload but more towing. The fact it's slower, same size, runs colder, needs DEF additive, only adds about 1 mpg highway and 2 city, has more expensive parts, fuel, and nonsense emission controls... It's a no brainer. There is no upside in most of them.

The emissions has made the beauty of "fuel, plus air, plus compression = explosion" into some nightmare of events that have to happen. They were simple, they were beautiful, they were fun to wrench on... Now it's a mess. I still miss my 6spd '06 Cummins dually. Can't complain though, I don't need that much truck.

If for any reason I buy another diesel it will be an '06 or earlier before the nonsense started.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:32 AM   #62
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I'm not a fan of diesels in general as they are wimpy when it comes to cold starting and IMO it dont matter what brand name you buy. You can get just as much pulling power out of a gas engine. I had a Chevy pickem-up with a 454 Vortec engine and that sucker could pull and haul anything with ease.

Plus I hate the smell of burning diesel and the clackety engine noise as well. Repairs? Have a seperate credit card to pay for all the chit that goes wrong.. as none of it is cheap.

Diesels are for big hauling rigs and I never understood why they were introduced to "little trucks."

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I've been giving this a lot if thought lately. My 7.3 is paid for, so it will probably need replacing eventually.

I'll probably go gas 1 ton next time around. I love the 454, not sure what the big gas engine is now. Besides, everyone wants a diesel, so prices are lower.

I definetly won't go Ford diesel next time. Anything I can afford is in that timeframe of crap engines and emmision deletes. I just want it to run. Even my 7.3 had a bunch come work done just after I bought it. It's been reliable since, but on my gassers, I just run them.

Ford or Chevy, not sure. I've had mostly Chevy gassers.

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The new diesels just aren't worth it. I could have got the same truck I have but the v8 cummins and it has less payload but more towing. The fact it's slower, same size, runs colder, needs DEF additive, only adds about 1 mpg highway and 2 city, has more expensive parts, fuel, and nonsense emission controls... It's a no brainer. There is no upside in most of them.

The emissions has made the beauty of "fuel, plus air, plus compression = explosion" into some nightmare of events that have to happen. They were simple, they were beautiful, they were fun to wrench on... Now it's a mess. I still miss my 6spd '06 Cummins dually. Can't complain though, I don't need that much truck.

If for any reason I buy another diesel it will be an '06 or earlier before the nonsense started.
Diesels trucks cost thousands of dollar more, gasoline trucks cost you your man card.

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Dude c'mon lets be honest here. I went from grinding out 12 hr days in unbareable humidity, cutting things and drinking black lumberyard coffee to mostly 8 hr days typing on a computer, drinking mochas and dropping the kids off at school.

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If you are going to keep until the frame rots an HD truck with a gasser is ok.
But if you plan on selling after 6 or 7 years the diesel will bring in a ton more on resale.

My '09 Chevy if it was a Duramax would be worth about $11,000 more.
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If you are going to keep until the frame rots an HD truck with a gasser is ok.

But if you plan on selling after 6 or 7 years the diesel will bring in a ton more on resale.



My '09 Chevy if it was a Duramax would be worth about $11,000 more.


The biggest gut check is the initial purchase. If you can buy and have equity, that will carry for the next few trucks.
I got sick buying my ‘06 brand new for $50k.
Traded it in on my brand new ‘14 that was $66k, got $20k for the ‘06 w/165k miles on it. Net $46k
Traded the ‘14 w/104k miles for the brand new ‘17 that was $78k, got $28k for the ‘14.
Net $50k
Math works out.....Loaded ‘17 for $50k before negotiation. Ended up financing $43k. Net -$3k
Still own my 97 1 ton V-10 RAM manual. Has 245k miles on it (second motor, lost first at 48k under warranty) it has rails in it for 5th wheel hitch and can pull my toyhauler just as easy as this Cummins. At 4mpg. vs 12-13


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What you put out for the diesel in extra cost at purchase you end up getting back at resale.
So, there wasn't really an extra cost.
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The biggest gut check is the initial purchase. If you can buy and have equity, that will carry for the next few trucks.
I got sick buying my ‘06 brand new for $50k.
Traded it in on my brand new ‘14 that was $66k, got $20k for the ‘06 w/165k miles on it. Net $46k
Traded the ‘14 w/104k miles for the brand new ‘17 that was $78k, got $28k for the ‘14.
Net $50k
Math works out.....Loaded ‘17 for $50k before negotiation. Ended up financing $43k. Net -$3k
Still own my 97 1 ton V-10 RAM manual. Has 245k miles on it (second motor, lost first at 48k under warranty) it has rails in it for 5th wheel hitch and can pull my toyhauler just as easy as this Cummins. At 4mpg. vs 12-13


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Looks like $1100 a month for the last 11 years.

Net 50k+46k+50k=$146k / 132 months.
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What you put out for the diesel in extra cost at purchase you end up getting back at resale.

So, there wasn't really an extra cost.


Exactly.


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Looks like $1100 a month for the last 11 years.



Net 50k+46k+50k=$146k / 132 months.


I wouldn’t recommend someone taking a payment that large.
06 paid off in 5 years. 4 years no payments.
Highest payment I’ve made personally is $691 per month, and it’s this truck I have currently. 2.6% @ 72 months.


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I wouldn’t recommend someone taking a payment that large.
06 paid off in 5 years. 4 years no payments.
Highest payment I’ve made personally is $691 per month, and it’s this truck I have currently. 2.6% @ 72 months.


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So with interest, it's cost you a little more than $1100 a month on average for 11 years.
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So with interest, it's cost you a little more than $1100 a month on average for 11 years.

Not exactly. You would have to divide the months once I stopped paying on the 17. You preloaded $50k on the calculation.

06 was $678 month, 1.9% 60 month term.
Paid off. $40,680 (put $12k down) waited until 9/13 to buy 2014 model.

2014 was $685 month, 2.1% 72 month term.
Paid 37 months. $25,345
Did not pay off. Traded in 12/17 for a 2017

2017 is $691 month, 2.6% 72 month term.
Paid 1 payment of $691 so far.

$66,716 total payments
98 total months
$680.77 average. Including interest.


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Not exactly. You would have to divide the months once I stopped paying on the 17. You preloaded $50k on the calculation.

06 was $678 month, 1.9% 60 month term.
Paid off. $40,680 (put $12k down) waited until 9/13 to buy 2014 model.

2014 was $685 month, 2.1% 72 month term.
Paid 37 months. $25,345
Did not pay off. Traded in 12/17 for a 2017

2017 is $691 month, 2.6% 72 month term.
Paid 1 payment of $691 so far.

$66,716 total payments
98 total months
$680.77 average. Including interest.


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That's more like it. Right, I preloaded the $50k.
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