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Old 06-05-2015, 01:37 PM   #61
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Sounds like you should be mad at yourself. Not the saw. The tool is doing exactly what it's designed to do.
I didn't say I was mad at the saw, just pointing out that you have to consider extra cartridges and blades when it happens. If you don't want to lose time I would have the cartridges and blades on hand... Also consider how close your cartridge supplier is as well because Murphy will rear his head when your on a tight deadline.
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Old 06-05-2015, 06:24 PM   #62
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I didn't say I was mad at the saw, just pointing out that you have to consider extra cartridges and blades when it happens. If you don't want to lose time I would have the cartridges and blades on hand... Also consider how close your cartridge supplier is as well because Murphy will rear his head when your on a tight deadline.
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Yes we have one, it's a nice saw. It has created a couple of time lost moments with wet lumber so we now keep a spare cartridge and blade. The last time she went off we had some rough cut beams that had been airing out a couple of months and one of them was still a little damp...
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I made sure I had an extra cartridge and blades ready from day one. They even have than nice little spot to store the extra cartridge on the saw.
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Yes we have one, it's a nice saw. It has created a couple of time lost moments with wet lumber so we now keep a spare cartridge and blade. The last time she went off we had some rough cut beams that had been airing out a couple of months and one of them was still a little damp...
Looking back would you not buy another?
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Yes we have one, it's a nice saw. It has created a couple of time lost moments with wet lumber so we now keep a spare cartridge and blade. The last time she went off we had some rough cut beams that had been airing out a couple of months and one of them was still a little damp...
I'm sure the lumber was grateful for the safety feature and you were happy to pay all that extra money for nothing.
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A couple good quality push blocks, like the micro jig grrr-ripper, will keep a persons hands and fingers safe and secure for about 60 bucks each.

Push blocks!? What do you think fingers are for.
A friend of mine who is an amazing woodworker lost his first three fingers on his left hand to the first joint in a shaper accident years ago. I've been working with him and last week I said to him can I get a hand while we were doing something. He said "I only have one". I was like, oh yeah. You wouldn't know he's missing fingers. Hes very capable.
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If I was the only one using it, probably not. But it's a little extra insurance for crew use
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If I was the only one using it, probably not. But it's a little extra insurance for crew use
I went and picked up my sawstop after work a couple weeks ago. On the way there I had my summer helper with me. I asked him how much money he would pay to keep a finger?

He thought about it for a few seconds and responded, "Definitely at least $20,000." I had to agree that I would pay at least that much to keep a finger, probably a lot more, my livelihood depends on them after all.

$20k will buy a lot of blades and cartridges.

It gives me a sense of pride knowing that when the time comes for full time employees who will use the table saw, I will have went the extra mile in protecting them...not to mention the fact that the saw stop jobsite saw is currently the best jobsite saw on the market IMO.
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Anyone have the Bosch yet?
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Anyone have the Bosch yet?
I don't think it's out yet, I could be wrong, but I have been looking for it and have not seen it at my local tool shop.
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I went and picked up my sawstop after work a couple weeks ago. On the way there I had my summer helper with me. I asked him how much money he would pay to keep a finger?



He thought about it for a few seconds and responded, "Definitely at least $20,000." I had to agree that I would pay at least that much to keep a finger, probably a lot more, my livelihood depends on them after all.



$20k will buy a lot of blades and cartridges.



It gives me a sense of pride knowing that when the time comes for full time employees who will use the table saw, I will have went the extra mile in protecting them...not to mention the fact that the saw stop jobsite saw is currently the best jobsite saw on the market IMO.

That would be the CMS TS-75 best job site saw on market.

Light weight
Compact
Built in stand
Saw removable for other tasks
Out feed support
Awesome dust extraction
Can be converted to a router, jigsaw,sanding table in seconds

Only problem is it's not available here.
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Bosch isn't out yet. May be three months away yet. The Bosch seems like its much cheaper to reset if the safety feature is activated. (But........lets hope it never has to)

$50 per event
Saw Stop, you need a new arm and blade per event. $?
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Bosch isn't out yet. May be three months away yet. The Bosch seems like its much cheaper to reset if the safety feature is activated. (But........lets hope it never has to)



$50 per event

Saw Stop, you need a new arm and blade per event. $?

I guess time will tell but I really don't see myself setting it off which makes the cartridge and blade cost a non issue. It's more about the the features of the saw for me. Plus I think it makes sense that sawstop would have the technology dialed in better being that they have been at it longer.
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I'm curious how that violent stopping of the blade affects stuff like bearings and guide bushings. Is there a limit to how many activations a saw can handle before parts gave to be replaced?

Sooo just to refresh this- does anyone know how the emergency stops affect the rest of the machine? I know how the cartridges come spring loaded but as BC brought up- how does it affect everything else, from the emergency stopping putting potential strain on the running motor, bearings, the gears that raise and lower the blade etc? I'm sure they've thought of it and probably built in stuff similar to clutches and overloads to protect the stuff but still. It's a lot of forces- esp on a jobsite saw compared to their cast iron cabinet saws.

I love the concept of the sawstop especially the ease to raise/drop the blade but my biggest concern would be wet wood. I mean- it's damn near impossible to find perfectly dry wood (assuming you use it for stuff other than plywood) for decent prices. I don't have others to worry about, but after seeing and knowing some gruesome accidents, it's enough to know that no matter how careful I am, stupid s%^# still happens at times and like I learned back in scouts- be prepared and (what I've learned from Vegas...) don't gamble if you can't afford it. Well. I can't afford my limb repairs and I want to be prepared for when I do stupid stuff.
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Sooo just to refresh this- does anyone know how the emergency stops affect the rest of the machine? I know how the cartridges come spring loaded but as BC brought up- how does it affect everything else, from the emergency stopping putting potential strain on the running motor, bearings, the gears that raise and lower the blade etc? I'm sure they've thought of it and probably built in stuff similar to clutches and overloads to protect the stuff but still. It's a lot of forces- esp on a jobsite saw compared to their cast iron cabinet saws.

I love the concept of the sawstop especially the ease to raise/drop the blade but my biggest concern would be wet wood. I mean- it's damn near impossible to find perfectly dry wood (assuming you use it for stuff other than plywood) for decent prices. I don't have others to worry about, but after seeing and knowing some gruesome accidents, it's enough to know that no matter how careful I am, stupid s%^# still happens at times and like I learned back in scouts- be prepared and (what I've learned from Vegas...) don't gamble if you can't afford it. Well. I can't afford my limb repairs and I want to be prepared for when I do stupid stuff.
The nice thing about it is that you can run the saw in bypass mode and as you are ripping a wet piece of lumber you can look down and see whether the saw would have triggered or not. If it would have a red light flashes.

I used one for almost two years. I ripped a ton of treated wood on it. I would always run the saw in bypass mode for treated but I don't remember seeing the red light often or even at all. The one time I did trigger the saw on accident was cutting a piece of wet osb that has been in the weather for quite a while.
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I thought the saws (SawStop & Bosch) picked up an electrical field or charge from your body. If you pushed a wet piece of wood through the saw using a wooden or plastic push stick...would it still trigger?

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I thought the saws (SawStop & Bosch) picked up an electrical field or charge from your body. If you pushed a wet piece of wood through the saw using a wooden or plastic push stick...would it still trigger?

I can't speak for Bosch but the sawstop runs a current through its blade and thus, if it cuts something that is conductive, ie- carries a charge willingly- ie anything wet or made up of water (like the human body and wet wood and I guess tape measures), then it registers the loss of current or current change and that's what triggers the stop.
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I can't say what affect it has on the rest of the saw. In the 4 years we've had the saw its only tripped once and it seems to still be running fine. At this point, anything that needs replacement will be regular wear and tear.
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This sounds silly, but I still can not believe how fast the saw sees the conductive material and activates instantaneously. I mean seriously, it does it so fast there is barely a nick on your skin! I watched sawstop rep doing a demo on contractor days at out local tool supplier. I was across the building and it was loud as hell, made everyone jump who was not around the saw, he did a few more demos that I watched....still kind of amazes me.

It also made me think, what if the saw was destroyed after activating, I know this is not the case but would saving a appendage be worth the saws price alone? Makes you think. The more and more I read responses to this thread, the more I think I will own the sawstop or Bosch yet this summer. I would hate to see one of my workers hurt, money is money, but a worker injured, no thanks. Plus my kids are getting older and help more and more....it's time I think.

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