Joist Hanger Nailer - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

gtdail · 09-08-2006, 08:37 PM

What are you guys using? In the market and wondering if any one had seen any pros and cons. Thanks

DecksEtc · 09-08-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gtdail

What are you guys using?

Hammer

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Originally Posted by gtdail

In the market and wondering if any one had seen any pros and cons. Thanks

I've heard they have air ones out but personally I haven't seen the need to get one as of yet.

...but that doesn't mean I won't get one

Peladu · 09-08-2006, 09:00 PM

Palm nailer?

Is that the right answer?

Pneumatic Palm Nailer?

**Leo G** · 09-08-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peladu

Palm nailer?

Is that the right answer?

Pneumatic Palm Nailer?

Makes for an itchy palm, but yes, that's it

maj · 09-08-2006, 09:21 PM

Actually gtdail is prolly refering to a positive placement nailer.

RobertCDF · 09-08-2006, 09:34 PM

I have used the hitachi before and it works amazing.... I would own one but I cant find colated SS tico nails for it. They are worth thier weight in gold if you do a bit of hardware (like truss clips and the such). There is also a grip right one that is just a palm nailer with a track attached to it. I would consider this one too for tight spaces.

If anyone knows were I can get SS tico nails for the hitachi let me know.

RobertCDF · 09-08-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DecksEtc

I've heard they have air ones out but personally I haven't seen the need to get one as of yet.

...but that doesn't mean I won't get one

Come on Terry... You better at least get a palm nailer I dont know how anyone could build a deck without one. What do you do to nail on hardware when you can swing a hammer?

hatchet · 09-09-2006, 01:12 PM

I bought the Bostitch framing nailer with the replaceable tip for positive placement. Works great. I don't use Tico nails too often though - 8d for most things and 16d for hangers into beams and such.

maj · 09-09-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchet

I bought the Bostitch framing nailer with the replaceable tip for positive placement. Works great. I don't use Tico nails too often though - 8d for most things and 16d for hangers into beams and such.

And that passes inspection?

If no codes in your area, you should at least familiarize yourself with them. We do not have code enforcement in my area, nor do we have inspections, but I try to stay up to date with the codes. I find it hard to believe anyone would accept an 8d gun nail for hangers?

nadonailer · 09-09-2006, 03:47 PM

Hitachi 'Straptite' model NR65AK

http://www.fastenerusa.com/products_...ml?catId=75885

Works wonderfully!

dougchips · 09-09-2006, 05:57 PM

My helper uses my palm nailer, it never hurts my hands. I have driven one nail with it since I bought it. I will hold off on a gun until he complains.

slowsol · 09-09-2006, 07:12 PM

We use the Paslode Positive Placement nailers. They work great. The apartments we are currently framing have over 1000 hangers in them and we haven't had a problem yet. We are on our fifth building.

Bradracer18 · 09-09-2006, 11:31 PM

I think pasload(or looks like one)...makes the one I've used.....worked great.......had a special tip, for placement......if you've got a lot of hangers, this thing is a must and a time saver!!!! Very fast....and a good job too.....

DecksEtc · 09-10-2006, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertCDF

Come on Terry... You better at least get a palm nailer I dont know how anyone could build a deck without one. What do you do to nail on hardware when you can swing a hammer?

Honestly, it's been awhile since I nailed a joist hanger Robert! I usually have myself do "something else" while one of my crew does the joist hangers

It's funny how an important call "has" to be made right when a monotonous job like putting up joists hangers needs doing! Ahhh, the advantages of being the "boss"!

hatchet · 09-10-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by maj

And that passes inspection?

If no codes in your area, you should at least familiarize yourself with them. We do not have code enforcement in my area, nor do we have inspections, but I try to stay up to date with the codes. I find it hard to believe anyone would accept an 8d gun nail for hangers?

Maybe you should familiarize yourself.
From the ICC-ER Report on several joist and truss hangers manufactured by Simpson. In fact I doubt you'll find any fastener less than 8d specified on any ICC-ER reports (there are some provisions for 6d nails). And certainly no mention of Tico or Tiko nails. You can check for yourself if you want
http://www.strongtie.com/literature/code-reports.html or here
http://www.icc-es.org/reports/index.cfm and search for Simpson

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2.13.3 Fasteners:
Nails used with the Simpson Strong-Tie products described
in this report must be common nails unless otherwise
identified, must comply with ASTM F 1667, and must have
the following minimum bending yield strengths (Fyb):
PENNYWEIGHT,
COMMON TYPE
NAIL DIAMETER
(inch)
Fyb
(psi)
8d 0.131 100,000
10d 0.148 90,000
12d 0.148 90,000
16d 0.162 90,000
For SI: 1 inch = 25.4 mm, 1 psi = 6.89 kPa.
The 16d sinker nails described in this report are 0.148
inch (3.76 mm) in diameter and 31/4 inches (82.6 mm) long,
and have a bending yield strength of 90,000 psi (620.5
MPa).

maj · 09-10-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hatchet

I bought the Bostitch framing nailer with the replaceable tip for positive placement. Works great. I don't use Tico nails too often though - 8d for most things and 16d for hangers into beams and such.

Quote:

Nails used with the Simpson Strong-Tie products described
in this report must be common nails unless otherwise
identified, must comply with ASTM F 1667, and must have
the following minimum bending yield strengths (Fyb):
PENNYWEIGHT,
COMMON TYPE
NAIL DIAMETER
(inch)
Fyb
(psi)
8d 0.131 100,000
10d 0.148 90,000
12d 0.148 90,000
16d 0.162 90,000
For SI: 1 inch = 25.4 mm, 1 psi = 6.89 kPa.
The 16d sinker nails described in this report are 0.148
inch (3.76 mm) in diameter and 31/4 inches (82.6 mm) long,
and have a bending yield strength of 90,000 psi (620.5
MPa).

I appoligize if I misread your first post, but it sounded to me like you were using regular 8d gun nails, since you stated you don't use hanger nails.

Most all framing gun nails are .120 in diameter. Common nails are what is required for hanger nails. As you can see by your own quote that the diameter of 8d common nails is .131 and a 16d is .162.

The reason hanger nails (Tico) have the special identification on the heads is so the inspectors can tell at a glance that the correct nail was used. If the inspector sees that gunnails or even box nails were used, they will make you pull 'em all and fail the inspection. At least around here where there are codes in force.

hatchet · 09-10-2006, 02:39 PM

And I mis-read your post as saying - code only dictates the use of Tico nails

I do use air nails though with the positive placement tip - just in the right diameter.

hatchet · 09-10-2006, 03:39 PM

Curiosity got the best of me - had to go back and re-read to see where the confusion was. I think it stems from my use of the brand name Tico. I've always associated Tico with hand drive nails. So when I say I don't use Tico nails - I don't use many hand driven hanger nails. For my positive placement nailer I've used hangnails, BMD, and quickbuild. Hopefully that clears up any confusion maj.

IHI · 09-10-2006, 04:15 PM

I dont know how I'd get along wihtout a positive placement nailer!!! I started out with a palm nailer and that was nice and all, and we actually still use it in tight places where the big gun wont fit. Was on a job once doing hurricane ties and another crew guy offered to let me try his Paslode PP gun...I was sold and immediately bought one off ebay.

It still works great, but the paper tends to ball/jam it after a few nails are driven now. Instead of fixing I bought the new bostich with replaceable tip (dual purpose gun). After 50 or so brackets hung the arm inside the tip broke for the PP nose piece so I had to get a new one. Last week I finally installed the framing tip and framing trigger (bump contact) and it works great!! The best thing is that I have a couple Paslode cordless nailers and the new Bostich PP gun with interchangeable tip uses Pasloide paper colleted nails...so I'm selling my Paslode PP gun and my 4yr old Bostich framing nailer to buy a few more of the newr versions since they work so well!!

Using a PP gun is kind of like driving a 4x4 in the winter after owning a 2 wheel drive...you'll wonder how you ever got through life without one!! HUGE time saver that equates into more production and more money's!!

maj · 09-10-2006, 04:27 PM

OK Hatchet.......... Now I'm confused

I didn't know Tico,Teko,Teco (whatever) was a brand name. I just always thought that was what some considered a properly sized hanger nail. Thought it had something to do with the code. I never really got into the habit of calling them teco nails myself, I always call them hanger nails.

I don't believe I said anything in referrence to teco in my first two posts.