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05-18-2008, 06:16 PM
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Cordless Tools - 18volt or 36volt - overkill?
Hi Guys, I'm new here  I'm looking for a bit of advice as I don't have much knowledge when it comes to cordless tools.
I install and repair overhead garage doors, and in the near future may be expanding in order to offer additional services such as building decks and fences along with various other home/commercial renovation services.
So right now I'm in the market for a new cordless drill and impact driver.
I'm pretty close to buying the 18v Dewalt Hammer/Drill/Driver along with the 18v Impact driver, however I have been seriously considering purchasing the 36v drill along with the 36v impact wrench.
Now my question...are the 36 volt tools overkill for the applications that I am describing? Will the 18 volt do the job more than adequately?
I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something that I will not push it's limits when the 18 volt would do exactly what I need and more with ease. And on the other hand, I don't want to buy the 18 volt tools if I find that I will be left with something to desire.
Any input would be greatly appreciated!! 
Have a great evening guys.
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05-18-2008, 06:19 PM
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DGR,IABD
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Buy the 120 volt cordless tools, with the backpack battery. Lots of power.
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05-18-2008, 06:48 PM
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I have the 18 volt tools and they work great for cordless tools but if I need more power I get out my corded tools. Cordless tools are nice but they can't replace corded tools.
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05-18-2008, 07:08 PM
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The Grand Wazoo
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I only have a couple cordless tools, an 18V hammerdrill and a 12 volt impact driver, for anything else I use corded or pneumatic.
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05-18-2008, 09:28 PM
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I couldn't find a backpack battery to run my 120V tools, so I strapped a generator onto my back (Umph!). Right after I have my back surgery, I think that I'll go back to my 18V tools.
Steve
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05-18-2008, 10:04 PM
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28v Milwaukee
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05-18-2008, 10:10 PM
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I was on a job site and raced another guy. I had my Makita 18v lith-ion drill with a 1 inch Woodowl bit, and the other guy had a corded Milwaukee Right-angle drill.
He couldn't beat me in a race drilling through a 4x4. We raced 3 times. He couldn't beat me.
He had a standard auger bit, but I had the wood owl. Maybe if he had the woodowl bit, he may have beat me; I don't know.
I have drilled thousands of 1 inch holes with my 18v Makita for wiring homes over the last 3 years, and I am faster than my corded friends with their Milwaukee right angle drills...
Some of those above, frowning on cordless, may be speaking from inexperience. Hi shunk!
To the original poster: Get the Makita 18v. Do not even consider the Dewalt, since they are basically toys, from my usage of them. You will be faster and quicker than your corded competitors.
But when it comes to hammer drills, and other stuff, I use corded, but Makita just came out with an 18v "rotary" hammer drill...
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05-18-2008, 10:15 PM
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JumboJack for president!
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First off. There are no 36V impactors. I have heard good things about the DeWalt 36v nano. But i use Bosch, and i have no problems with the 36V Litheon. I bought the fat packs, which offer more power, but are heavier. Maybe you could go with the slim packs.
If you are just starting though, it may be wiser to go with the 18v so you can buy more tools that are compatible with the 18v batteries. There is not a full ine of 36v from any company. Just the combo kits.
Hilti still hasn't launched the 36V sawzall. I can't wait.
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05-19-2008, 12:17 AM
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Thank you for all of your replies guys.
Some were funny LOL .. no offence taken to the sarcasm  heheehe Made me laugh
BTW... to the last poster that said there were no 36v impact wrenches/drivers available... yes, Dewalt has one. If you do a search on google for "dewalt 36v cordless impact wrench dc800kl" you'll see it listed on the homedepot canada site for $599.00. I went into home depot and they have the 18v version for $199.00. Thing is..I use the corded impact a lot more than I do than my drill.
Well, if the 18v is good enough as 'most' are saying, I think I'll go that route and then buy the corded tools that I need when the time comes.
I've been hearing however that the 36volt cordless tools are 'supposedly' meant to replace the corded tools.
Cheers, and thanks for your input. Any more input would be greatly welcomed!!
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05-19-2008, 12:58 AM
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Aussie in Norway
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Pick the right tool for the job. I use corded most of the time because the extra power it produces is more beneficial than the convenience of having no lead. That said things like cordless impactors are a must but again you need to decide how much grunt you need. I get on fine with my 10.8 volt bosch impactor as it's handy and I do most of my work on ladders. Be aware that although lithium ion does give more charges and retains it's charge longer, it's not good in the cold(I'm talking around 0 degrees C). Also, in hotter climates the batteries degrade over time from the heat (they degrade over time anyway but the heat accelerates this). For these reasons I don't think corded tools will ever be replaced by cordless...unless you choose to believe the marketing hype.
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05-19-2008, 09:03 AM
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JumboJack for president!
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Canada...thats right. Canada does it way better there. I remember seeing a post on this site about DeWalt copying Festools plunge saw. Im sorry about that. I should have said there isn't a 36V impactor in the US.
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05-19-2008, 09:06 AM
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JumboJack for president!
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OH MY GOD. I just looked at DeWalts website. I used to talk a lot of smack about DeFault but they have an incredible amount of new tools. I heard that they were changing everything now that B&D owns them. I hope that doesn't affect quality. Time to drop Hilti and Bosch and go with DeWalt!! Thanks for the heads up on the 36V impactor, i would have never thought.
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05-19-2008, 12:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XanadooLTD
OH MY GOD. I just looked at DeWalts website. I used to talk a lot of smack about DeFault but they have an incredible amount of new tools. I heard that they were changing everything now that B&D owns them. I hope that doesn't affect quality. Time to drop Hilti and Bosch and go with DeWalt!! Thanks for the heads up on the 36V impactor, i would have never thought.
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Black and Decker acquired Dewalt in 1960
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05-19-2008, 03:03 PM
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JumboJack for president!
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I knew it had been awhile ago. But i was talking to a rep and he said that there hasn't really been until now that things are going to change, or are changing.
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05-19-2008, 09:16 PM
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Hard to say.
When installing openers I use a Makita 18V impact for the nuts and bolts, a DeWalt 36V for cutting wood, and a corded Skil circ for cutting angle iron.
The Makita gets used the most. I could probably do at least a dozen openers in a row with it if needed.
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05-21-2008, 01:35 AM
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my Dewalt and Milwaukee 18v drills have sunk 12" timberlock and t40 lag screws, drilled 3" holes with an auger bit, and run fine for hours sinking 3" deck screws (mostly the Milwaukee, since I just got the Dewalt, but I've done it all with other Dewalts as well). As far as drills go, 18v seems like plenty. On the other hand, as far as I can tell, an 18v saw is near useless, and runs like it's a toy. So, it comes down to what tools you think you would be using.
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05-21-2008, 07:58 AM
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JumboJack for president!
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Totally agree. 18V drills are good for wood. (36V if you need to drill concrete) The 18V circular saws are a total waste of time, they will cut a few boards a day, but the 36's are cutting all day every day. 18V sawzall is even fine.
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05-21-2008, 03:31 PM
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NJ Plumber with ATTITUDE
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If an 18volt cordless can't do the job well enough for you then by all means break out the cored tool. You can't fly a kite to the moon so why try and use a battery hammer drill as a jackhammer?
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05-21-2008, 04:14 PM
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jayrod20@sbcglobal.net
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imo You should get something small makita 12v or 14v experience how it works and go from there, I use to have milwaukee 28v but switch to makita 14v for drilling, still use my corded hammer drill for averything else, it gets tireing to work with a big drill all day.
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05-21-2008, 05:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heineken77
Hi Guys, I'm new here  I'm looking for a bit of advice as I don't have much knowledge when it comes to cordless tools.
I install and repair overhead garage doors, and in the near future may be expanding in order to offer additional services such as building decks and fences along with various other home/commercial renovation services.
So right now I'm in the market for a new cordless drill and impact driver.
I'm pretty close to buying the 18v Dewalt Hammer/Drill/Driver along with the 18v Impact driver, however I have been seriously considering purchasing the 36v drill along with the 36v impact wrench.
Now my question...are the 36 volt tools overkill for the applications that I am describing? Will the 18 volt do the job more than adequately?
I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something that I will not push it's limits when the 18 volt would do exactly what I need and more with ease. And on the other hand, I don't want to buy the 18 volt tools if I find that I will be left with something to desire.
Any input would be greatly appreciated!! 
Have a great evening guys.
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36V is ideal for you. That's one case where a corded impact driver and cordless arent' too different weight wise and where you won't need the consistant power of a cord.
You probably will never regret getting a 36V Kit (don't buy them separately).
For Carpentry, 18V is enough for pretty much anything.
For Roofing, 36V for sawzalls and trim saws, but for driving, 18V is enough.
I personally prefer to use corded tools whenever I can. The only thing I like cordless are my drivers.
For light work, believe it or not, the Bosch PS40 is a dream tool...small, impactor, great for your lighter to medium (up to 3" screws) work. That might be a consiration. It out performs Bosch's own full size impact driver and it's only like 2lbs and it works great.
I used it to drive Tapcons into 100 year old brick/mortar. No problems.
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Last edited by 2ndGen; 05-21-2008 at 05:15 PM.
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