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Old 01-26-2017, 07:47 AM   #21
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I've always liked the Andersen Frenchwood doors. The windows I can take or leave. I will use Andersen gliding doors instead of Integrity at this point.
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Old 04-12-2017, 09:52 AM   #22
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The Integrity line by Marvin is divided into two styles. Wood-Ultrex and All-Ultrex. Ultrex is the frame material It is a fiberglass based product that has good performance in regards to energy efficiency and expansion and contraction.

The wood-ultrex has the fiberglass exterior frame, and a wood interior. This can be a great option and I have installed hundreds of them.

The All-Ultrex is similar to a vinyl window in appearances. It is the same color inside and outside. To me, they are kinda ugly from the inside. Also, the sliders are not on rollers, so they get a better DP rating (Wind Resistance) but they can be harder to open.

One of the best features of the fiberglass product is the color choices available. You can get darker colors than what you normally get with a vinyl window.

One of the key features of the integrity line is a quick turn-around time. They are supposed to have a two week max lead-time. That is why the options are limited compared to some of the higher end Marvin offerings.

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Would there be a difference in durability between Wood-Ultrex and All-Ultrex? Especially in a hot desert climate? Wood, as long as it is on the interior, should be about as durable as the All-Ultrex, I'm assuming? How about a cost difference between the two sub-lines?
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Wood Ultrex is significantly more $$$.

For the wood ultrex, you will have to specify the jamb depth so that the window flushes out with the drywall on the interior. Or whatever wall covering is used. It's intended to be used with a wood casing for the interior trim.

All ultrex is intended to be used with drywall jamb returns. You can apply wood jambs to the all ultrex if you so desire.

The wood ultrex is a better looking window, to me. The all ultrex go well with modern aesthetics, and also with tract builders with their cost saving design decisions.

If you get a stained finish on the inside of the wood-ultrex, it will still be a maintenance item. The longevity depends on the finish product you choose. If your painting them, it will likely last longer than a stain and clearcoat. The sunny side of the house will need refinishing more frequently than the shady side. If prefinished factory colors appeal to you, that's a great way to go.
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OK, Thanks Lettusbee!

I think we'd go with the All Ultrex option then based on what you are suggesting, as the house is 1973 mid-century modern design. Drywall jamb returns. Hot California desert climate. Save some money.

Here are two photos in fact of the current windows:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n3wffab4al...18.46.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1bfbi9xc87...19.31.jpg?dl=0

One Milgard dealer in S. California contends that their premium vinyl (Tuscany line) is as durable even in the hot desert as their all-fiberglass (Ultra line) windows. At 60% to 65% of the cost.

Both have lifetime warranties with Cardinal low-e 366 glass. Main disadvantage he says is that interior can only be white, and it can't be painted, whereas fiberglass can be painted without jeopardizing the warranty.

Any thoughts on whether vinyl can hack it in the desert high (but dry) heat?

Any comments on Milgard Ultra vs Marvin All Ultrex Integrity?

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Milgard ultra and integrity all ultrex are very similar. I would base that decision on reputation of supplier and installer on your area, as well as price.

For the sun exposure you describe, I would stay away from vinyl if you want to get the longest life from your new windows.



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Our daughter decided to go with vinyl replacement windows from a local fabricator. Price driven clients drive me crazy.

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We did 9 window replacement in a fire damage house. Used American craftsman by Anderson with Low E, Argon, decent service and product.
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We did 9 window replacement in a fire damage house. Used American craftsman by Anderson with Low E, Argon, decent service and product.

American Craftsman was HD's window line made for them by SilverLine.
Andersen bought SilverLine.
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Our daughter decided to go with vinyl replacement windows from a local fabricator. Price driven clients drive me crazy.

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Some clients figure out they can do the vinyls twice for the cost of a better window once.
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American Craftsman was HD's window line made for them by SilverLine.

Andersen bought SilverLine.


Yes sir! Ordered from HD, got a special 20 percent off. They advised special order turn around time 3 weeks. Got them in 10 days. Customer was happy as hell.


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Some clients figure out they can do the vinyls twice for the cost of a better window once.
Dumb asses (remember, this is my wifes daughter, I wont claim her when she does stupid stuff like this).

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I install windows and doors for my local lumber yard. mostly marvin windows and doors with the majority being the integrity line.

I stopped using thermatru doors because the company building the frames up this way was doing a lousy job. I do mostly Masonite brand entry doors now, if the budget isn't there for a marvin product

I have installed many pella windows and doors as well. I really like their sliders compared to the marvins but I don't believe their windows are as nice.

I have done a few andersons in my time and they are a good product but the service around here for them sucks.
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I think the fall of Pella service here is one of the reasons Iím looking. When I was a big-time contractor, I spent a lot with them and could get great service + golf trips on the private jet. NowÖ I donít even have a rep. and if I need a service call on a new install it could be 5 weeks.
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Update on how bad Pella service and sales is here. I called the 800 number a few weeks agoÖ No response. I contacted their office here directly on MondayÖ No response as of today.

I had my wife go back through QuickBooks history today and since 2001 (16 years) I have purchased $308k from them (an average of $19.25k) and I canít get a return phone call. Incredible!
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Update on how bad Pella service and sales is here. I called the 800 number a few weeks agoÖ No response. I contacted their office here directly on MondayÖ No response as of today.

I had my wife go back through QuickBooks history today and since 2001 (16 years) I have purchased $308k from them (an average of $19.25k) and I canít get a return phone call. Incredible!
Sent you an email, Dan responded to my request for quote for Kelly's windows within an hour and had the quote to me within 24 hours.

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"Milgard ultra and Marvin Integrity all ultrex are very similar. I would base that decision on reputation of supplier and installer on your area, as well as price. "

Integrity All Utrex seems to be 20% lower price than Milgard Ultra. Contractor seems sharp. So we'll go with Integrity.

Curious if I should ask the contractor to do a full frame replacement? He seems to think a retrofit is all that's needed but is open to either avenue. But am wondering if we might lose too much window space, and the profile might be too drastic a change.

Here is an interior and exterior photo of two of the typical windows that we're replacing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rswat53hqa...erior.JPG?dl=0

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99 times out of 100, I will advocate for full frame replacement. But you have stucco. At least I think that's what that is.

So, if you don't have any water intrusion issues already, you'd likely be fine with inserts. They do take away from the visible glass to some degree, but your existing frames are pretty thin (Aluminum?), so it wouldn't be too bad.

In my area, I generally cut the stucco back 3-1/2" from the frame and install the new window as a full frame replacement, and then trim around the window with cedar or a stucco detail band. That allows us to tie in the new window and flashing into the existing drainage plane, if there is one. That also keeps us from trying to match an existing stucco finish.

Full frame replacements allow us to catch problems like this one.
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Sent you an email, Dan responded to my request for quote for Kelly's windows within an hour and had the quote to me within 24 hours.

Tom
Thanks Tom. I got the contact info. At this point, they would need to jump through some pretty tall hoops to get my business back. Iíll reach out to your contact simply to see is they realize their problem or to see if Iíve been blacklisted for some reason. Itís more about principle now.
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I know we were leaning toward Marvin Integrity but another slo-poke dealer just sent me a quote to consider:
a) aluminum from Milgard (thermally broken for one large picture window, most would be standard aluminum as making them therm-broken doesn't improve energy ratings much).
b) premium vinyl (Tuscany) from Milgard
c) Andersen 100 Fibrex

They are all coming in between $13K and $14K vs $19K for fiberglass.

This is a hot desert climate. Not much humidity and seldom below freezing if ever.

Any recommendations if I were to go for one of the three cheaper frame materials (ie. besides fiberglass)?

I hear conflicting stories as to how well premium vinyl holds up in the desert. The dealer noted that the salt in the desert might be worse for aluminum in the long run vs vinyl. We can probably live with a white interior for vinyl if we go that route, though we'd prefer bronze, which aluminum and (now) Andersen 100 offer for interiors.
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Fiberglass is the best option for your conditions.

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