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Old 10-14-2017, 05:11 PM   #61
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The same "gotcha" was my deciding factor with ZIP/Advantech. DO NOT USE. Stray one iota from specified matrials - asdhesives, laps, fastner schedule/depth - and they say buh bye to the warranty.

40 years ago, my buddy had to pay 4K out of pocket to a 3rd contractor because the shingles we put on - specced to use staples -some of the staples were not true to parallel to the run by 5 degrees.
And so the circuit court found him liable for the whole roof.

Even though a year later a class action suit against the shingle make bankrupted them.

All warranties are bull ****.
I am unaware of faults in Advantech. We just use the t&g sub floor product. I will start to Google the subject, but if you could. I would appreciate some key words.

After the framers are done building the home, and the roof and wrap is on, the home is allowed to acclimate, without a heating or cooling schedule. We screw the crap out of the floor. So much so that the glue is a non factor.

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Old 10-14-2017, 05:54 PM   #62
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The same "gotcha" was my deciding factor with ZIP/Advantech. DO NOT USE. Stray one iota from specified matrials - asdhesives, laps, fastner schedule/depth - and they say buh bye to the warranty.

40 years ago, my buddy had to pay 4K out of pocket to a 3rd contractor because the shingles we put on - specced to use staples -some of the staples were not true to parallel to the run by 5 degrees.
And so the circuit court found him liable for the whole roof.

Even though a year later a class action suit against the shingle make bankrupted them.

All warranties are bull ****.
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The same "gotcha" was my deciding factor with ZIP/Advantech. DO NOT USE the warranty as a deciding factor. Stray one iota from specified matrials - asdhesives, laps, fastner schedule/depth - and they say buh bye to the warranty.
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How did you tie in the window sills? Looks like you did them after you did the sides.


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How did you tie in the window sills? Looks like you did them after you did the sides.


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I am not happy with how we are doing the sills. We will end up with a reversed lap. The manufacturer just wants the blue skin to wrap the jack studs. No wrap on the sills or header. The head is not wrapped, so if water got behind the wrap it wouldn't be trapped. The sills are done with flashing tape, like old school flashing tape. It's nothing like flex wrap, which is what I would prefer.

The instructions and the blue skin representative. Both claim a reversed lap is ok inside the the windows. The decision to do so was the site manager.

In the end the window nailing flange is caulked to the wrap on the sides and top, but not the bottom. Fashing tape is applied on top and sides, but not the bottom of the nailing flange. So if water is getting behind the window, that reversed lap is minor in terms of what the problem is.

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The same "gotcha" was my deciding factor with ZIP/Advantech. DO NOT USE. Stray one iota from specified matrials - asdhesives, laps, fastner schedule/depth - and they say buh bye to the warranty.

40 years ago, my buddy had to pay 4K out of pocket to a 3rd contractor because the shingles we put on - specced to use staples -some of the staples were not true to parallel to the run by 5 degrees.
And so the circuit court found him liable for the whole roof.

Even though a year later a class action suit against the shingle make bankrupted them.

All warranties are bull ****.

Not only are warranties suspect,the "latest and greatest" materials in many instances have problems that rear their ugly heads and a new set of fixes need to be installed to save the day. Anyone who has read some long running trade publications (like 30 + yrs. ) can attest to that. It is really kind of comical. We know how to build 500 yr. buildings,it's simple,look at how a 500 yr. old building was built. But no,we constantly want to re-engineer the wheel. I look at the pictures of this 20 K sq.ft. plywood palace,made of wood ,glue,caulk,and peel and stick s**t and just shake my head. What is the designer and owner thinking ? Probably aren't. To sink that huge volume of dough into this temporary building is "shack technology" at it's finest.
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Not only are warranties suspect,the "latest and greatest" materials in many instances have problems that rear their ugly heads and a new set of fixes need to be installed to save the day. Anyone who has read some long running trade publications (like 30 + yrs. ) can attest to that. It is really kind of comical. We know how to build 500 yr. buildings,it's simple,look at how a 500 yr. old building was built. But no,we constantly want to re-engineer the wheel. I look at the pictures of this 20 K sq.ft. plywood palace,made of wood ,glue,caulk,and peel and stick s**t and just shake my head. What is the designer and owner thinking ? Probably aren't. To sink that huge volume of dough into this temporary building is "shack technology" at it's finest.
So are you saying to lap it 3 ,,4,,or 5inches
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"The instructions and the blue skin representative. Both claim a reversed lap is ok inside the the windows. The decision to do so was the site manager."

There's a recipe for a disaster, violates the advice a wise old roofer (I know, sounds like an oxymoron) told me many years back, 'think like a rain drop'.
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So are you saying to lap it 3 ,,4,,or 5inches


No,I'm saying don't spend oodles and oodles of money building a 20K sq.ft fire trap out of wood,glue,caulk and peel and stick.

Like putting lipstick on a big,huge waste of money in my book. Scale the place down to a sensible size and build it out of substantial material. Maybe think ICF for a starter,not saying I'd think they are the cat's meow,but better than what is going on on that site.
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It took my employers crew of 3, 4 weeks to apply the peel and stick house wrap. After the first week we became more proficient with the install.

We got over the learning curve.

I like the product.

19 rolls of wrap at 230 bucks a roll plus 3 guys making over 600 a week.

My estimated cost is $13, 970, round about.
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It took my employers crew of 3, 4 weeks to apply the peel and stick house wrap. After the first week we became more proficient with the install.

We got over the learning curve.

I like the product.

19 rolls of wrap at 230 bucks a roll plus 3 guys making over 600 a week.

My estimated cost is $13, 970, round about.
If a man is netting 600$ a week the employer is paying out at least 900$ a week depending on the benefits package.
Hard to believe a carpenter can live on that , I can't seem to live on netting double that. cost of living must be a lot less there.
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If a man is netting 600$ a week the employer is paying out at least 900$ a week depending on the benefits package.
Hard to believe a carpenter can live on that , I can't seem to live on netting double that. cost of living must be a lot less there.
$600/wk $15/hr is starting pay for carpentry work around here.
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$600/wk $15/hr is starting pay for carpentry work around here.
That would be grossing 600$ a week ,,not net.
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That would be grossing 600$ a week ,,not net.
Gross for the employee but about your $900 cost to employer. Single kid out of hs would take home about $480. Even more if Trump gets his tax cuts.

$20K for housewrap seems excessive even for a million dollar house.
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Gross for the employee but about your $900 cost to employer. Single kid out of hs would take home about $480. Even more if Trump gets his tax cuts.

$20K for housewrap seems excessive even for a million dollar house.
If I were doing it at a given price it would have gone a lot faster and had a lot of wrinkles in it

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