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there should be an ''envelope'' trade that can keep up with all the new info and products coming out..i can't anymore and I don't need the resposibility
If I recall right it's Stillas boss, the GC that employs the framers too. He pays them to do this work. If it's so bad why does he pay them The framers are very capable of doing the job to manufacture specs if it's required of them. If they don't do it right don't pay them!
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yea..i know how that goes..i just wonder if either of them realize someone is supposed to get paid to do it
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My phone died, sorry I didn't get back sooner.

So I have been working with the material for 7 days. It is labor intensive, and if the products warranty, is going to be honored, I have to follow strict rules. Meaning a flawless install.

We struggled the first 2 days as we were hanging the product horizontally, as it was required as we were being chased by an exterior trim crew. To hang the material horizontally requires 2 guys. The trim crew blew by us, and they were forced to install the product, just so they could do there job.

The trim crew cared nothing about how it was applied, our crew will have to deal with how it's installed. The pace of the job forces people to work on top of each other, it's something I am acclimated to. I am a finish carpenter, applying house wrap.

The rolls of the material come in 4x100 foot rolls and cost 240 bucks a roll. An interior finish crew of 3 are applying the wrap. Let that sink in. We are applying the wrap because of the warranty. It needs to be perfect.

Installing the product horizontally was killing us. The site super, asked us if we felt if we were to hang the material vertically, could it be done more efficiently?

We gave it a shot, and I will say it was a huge help. The task of hanging the material became a 1 man job, and it was easy to install.

Allowing gravity to do it's job is a tremendous help.

I'll have some pictures of how we learned to install this wrap.

I hope this info helps everyone.
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Does the manufacturer state that it's ok to run it vertically? I'm sorry, allowing the trim installers run past the WRB installation sounds like there will be problems down the road, at the home owners expense. With that type of system the details have to be perfect.
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What kine of siding is going on the house.
I know I install a lot of LP Smart siding. If water gets in back of the siding we have done things very wrong!!
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Does the manufacturer state that it's ok to run it vertically? I'm sorry, allowing the trim installers run past the WRB installation sounds like there will be problems down the road, at the home owners expense. With that type of system the details have to be perfect.
Yes the product allows for a vertical application, the trim installers applied the wrap, fixing the lap joints isn't a problem. It's just a matter of waste material, and redundancy.
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We are applying the wrap because of the warranty. It needs to be perfect.

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Yet your boss the GC is letting the other guys put on the house wrap??? How can that be if you are the ONLY one that can do it perfect. I can hang siding paper all day long perfect yet I'd never call myself a finish carpenter when carpenter works so much better. I have guns that shoot from 23ga. to 16d nails.
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What kine of siding is going on the house.
I know I install a lot of LP Smart siding. If water gets in back of the siding we have done things very wrong!!
I don't think the client has made up their mind it's a choice between cedar clap board or cedar shingles.
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We are applying the wrap because of the warranty. It needs to be perfect.

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Yet your boss the GC is letting the other guys put on the house wrap??? How can that be if you are the ONLY one that can do it perfect. I can hang siding paper all day long perfect yet I'd never call myself a finish carpenter when carpenter works so much better. I have guns that shoot from 23ga. to 16d nails.
I think my boss trusts us not to make him liable. The wrap the exterior trim crew installed can fit into the warranty, it just means waste of materials, and that 2 crews have applied the product to the same surface.
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Cedar siding. Hope there is a rain screen on the building.
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What kine of siding is going on the house.
I know I install a lot of LP Smart siding. If water gets in back of the siding we have done things very wrong!!


Build a rain screen wall. Don't worry about water getting behind,it will have a path out. Caulk will fail and water will find a way behind siding,it may be a year or two.
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Cedar siding. Hope there is a rain screen on the building.
I am not the owner or super, or the construction manager. I understand what a rain screen is. I have felt the company I work for is competent. I have full trust in them.
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Build a rain screen wall. Don't worry about water getting behind,it will have a path out. Caulk will fail and water will find a way behind siding,it may be a year or two.
I have sided many and I mean many homes here in the 80s with no paper at all in back of the siding. I drive down those streets today and people are still living there and they are dry inside. The house I live in is over 60 years old with NO paper at all. None of the old houses here have paper on them. No water comes inside. Here good caulking will work. Sometimes you can't make blanket statements.
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I know I install a lot of LP Smart siding. If water gets in back of the siding we have done things very wrong!!


Build a rain screen wall. Don't worry about water getting behind,it will have a path out. Caulk will fail and water will find a way behind siding,it may be a year or two.
The product is what the client wants, and it's on the plans. I understand what a rain screen is. But, I am not the super or construction manager.
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My phone died, sorry I didn't get back sooner.

So I have been working with the material for 7 days. It is labor intensive, and if the products warranty, is going to be honored, I have to follow strict rules. Meaning a flawless install.

We struggled the first 2 days as we were hanging the product horizontally, as it was required as we were being chased by an exterior trim crew. To hang the material horizontally requires 2 guys. The trim crew blew by us, and they were forced to install the product, just so they could do there job.

The trim crew cared nothing about how it was applied, our crew will have to deal with how it's installed. The pace of the job forces people to work on top of each other, it's something I am acclimated to. I am a finish carpenter, applying house wrap.

The rolls of the material come in 4x100 foot rolls and cost 240 bucks a roll. An interior finish crew of 3 are applying the wrap. Let that sink in. We are applying the wrap because of the warranty. It needs to be perfect.

Installing the product horizontally was killing us. The site super, asked us if we felt if we were to hang the material vertically, could it be done more efficiently?

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I'll have some pictures of how we learned to install this wrap.

I hope this info helps everyone.
What effect if any does hanging the product vertically have on warranty?
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i laugh quietly to myself when people say no water gets behind their siding..
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All siding leaks. I build very tight building envelopes and will not not do a rain screen ever. Siding is a cladding that protects the drainage plane and while yes, it does repel the majority of water it always leaks somewhere.
In regards to cedar, I'm assuming red cedar. Putting it on a rain screen will prolong its life exponentially and it will hold paint/stain better. It just a good building practice.

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i laugh quietly to myself when people say no water gets behind their siding..
You laugh at of what you don't know. The old Japanese carpenter that built this island really knew what they were doing!! The siding on the home I live in is the siding on the outside and the interior wall on inside. The wall is ¾" thick. No water comes through the wall!!!!!
We don't use the thin plastic garbage that blows down the road when a storm hits.
Here's a nice read..

Single Wall Construction

Many of the older homes in Hawaii were constructed with only a single exterior wall, which is often referred to as single wall construction. The original purpose of single wall construction was to save on costs because most building material has to be shipped in from the mainland. Single wall construction is possible in Hawaii primarily because there is no need to insulate against the cold. Many of these single wall homes have louvered windows to throttle the cooling effect of the trade winds. Since the wood used in single wall construction is exposed to the elements, redwood or cedar are preferred for their termite and dryrot resistance. In the 1980's, the price of redwood and cedar increased, offsetting the cost advantages single wall construction once held. Since double wall construction requires slightly less skill, single wall homes became less common. An irony about single wall construction is that they have less bugs, don't need air conditioning, and are cheaper in the long run. Single wall homes typically have no fiberglass insulation and often do not have any drywall, both of which are some of the less earth friendly of all building materials.

Where am I going with this? Off on a tangent of course.

I'd like to think we as humans have the option to build our exterior with single or double construction. It's easier and far more common to go double-wall, first framing our boundaries, then attaching osb, a moisture barrier, and an exterior siding. At that point we go about our business of insulating, drywalling, taping, painting, and installing floors and baseboard. When we are done, we feel strong and protected, and we can open our front door to any of our friends who ring the doorbell or text us that they are stopping by to visit.

By contrast, the single wall human takes a bit more thought and work. Any gaps will be very noticeable, so the joints between boards and all of the angles which are exposed should maintain tight tolerances. Electrical wires have to be concealed behind casing, and plumbing routed entirely under the floor. A lot less material is used, but more time and care must go into the process of building, a process of delayed gratification.

As a child, I never appreciated single wall construction. I thumbed my nose at any homes that looked so "cheap". I erroneously assumed that drywall was "right". I did not fully appreciate the simple beauty that was all around me, single wall homes just seemed like a construction project waiting for funding.

But I do remember how it felt to be inside one of those homes. How connected to the island you feel when the tradewinds sing through, and how much you hear through the openness of the walls. In many ways, this feeling, the single wall feeling, describes what I feel in yoga, of connecting myself to the outside, while remaining indoors.

The privileges of a childhood in paradise are numerous because of all the uniqueness which simply cannot survive elsewhere. Unique species, unique construction methods, unique family units, and unique and breathtaking views of natural wonder. And yet, while the specifics of Hawaii's uniqueness cannot be directly experienced on the mainland, the conceptual approach to openness and connection is an option for everyone no matter where they are. We can always extend ourselves to others in various ways without giving up much of anything from ourselves. We can always get by with less, less stuff, less food, less time, less praise. We can always feel more connected to the world, by removing barriers between ourselves and that which we seek to be closer to.

One of my favorite memories of home, of being in a place I will always call home, is running past a single wall house, as the afternoon showers rinse my skin, and feeling an intense connection to the life flowing all around me.
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All siding leaks.


Hey we can even put on a roof that doesn't leak
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