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Old 12-21-2017, 01:53 AM   #1
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Am I the only one bent out of shape about bits for screws?

For many years I've used boatloads of two types of screws. The left a T25 torx gen purpose ceramic coated. And right is powerhead screws #2 square drive. (The only Philips drives I've bought was for the collated drywall gun). I always have 3 bits in my pocket to always be ready ph#2 sq#2 and T25.

Now. My favorite screw the powerhead screw changed it to T20. When one of my suppliers told me of the change. Said he still had some sq#2 in stock I got what they had. I voiced my gripe.......he said I'm not alone lots of others are hot under the collar. Later I forgot and grabbed a bunch of boxes at woodcraft only looking at length. Went to use a few......curse alot. Now I find that they had one of those new coke flavor oh wait now coke classic moments. But they only do a few lengths in square drive. Everything else T20.

Philips bits........meh.
Robersons bits.......Ok ish.
Torxs 25........awesome!
Torxs 20..........why the pain?
Torxs 15.............Now you're silly.
Torxs 10...........you just designed a cam out drill bit for screws!

Anyone else wish they would make T25s the standard?
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Am I the only one bent out of shape about bits for screws?

For many years I've used boatloads of two types of screws. The left a T25 torx gen purpose ceramic coated. And right is powerhead screws #2 square drive. (The only Philips drives I've bought was for the collated drywall gun). I always have 3 bits in my pocket to always be ready ph#2 sq#2 and T25.

Now. My favorite screw the powerhead screw changed it to T20. When one of my suppliers told me of the change. Said he still had some sq#2 in stock I got what they had. I voiced my gripe.......he said I'm not alone lots of others are hot under the collar. Later I forgot and grabbed a bunch of boxes at woodcraft only looking at length. Went to use a few......curse alot. Now I find that they had one of those new coke flavor oh wait now coke classic moments. But they only do a few lengths in square drive. Everything else T20.

Philips bits........meh.
Robersons bits.......Ok ish.
Torxs 25........awesome!
Torxs 20..........why the pain?
Torxs 15.............Now you're silly.
Torxs 10...........you just designed a cam out drill bit for screws!

Anyone else wish they would make T25s the standard?
You think that's bad Hilti likes to use a mix of T-25 and T-27....Like C'mon just use T25 for both!

That's the problem for Torx, too many sizes.

Then you get into propriety BS like "SpiderDrive".

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I wouldn't have even clicked on this to read, but I thought the title was "Pussy BITS"
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I like the square. Fastcap cabinet screws were the same. Then they changed them to the T20. Now I have to buy an extra pack of bits with the screws.
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I like the square. Fastcap cabinet screws were the same. Then they changed them to the T20. Now I have to buy an extra pack of bits with the screws.
Powerhead screws are fastcap cabinet screws. I use them for way more then cabinets. Great product till now.

I just wanna know am I off my rocker? If someone produced their whole line up with T25 would you gravitate to be brand loyal there? (Except trim head screws)
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You think that's bad Hilti likes to use a mix of T-25 and T-27....Like C'mon just use T25 for both!

That's the problem for Torx, too many sizes.

Then you get into propriety BS like "SpiderDrive".
And do you go ahead and use the t25 to run in or out the t27? They sorta work. Till they cam out then your like "oh well" sucks for anyone that has to take that screw out.

It's like half the door hinges in older homes are cammed out. Home owner........I tried to tighten it with my drill! (Shows me drill). Me........well you have a #1philips (or #3) bit in your drill. You need a #2. Homeowner.........there is different sizes of Philips?
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I wouldn't have even clicked on this to read, but I thought the title was "Pussy BITS"
That explains why there was 300 views of this thread overnight but only 3 comments. We are here to build things with wood..............oh nevermind my mind went there too.
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Agreed...I absolutely love and use GRK screws for a lot of things...but...
Trim Screws T15
Cabinet Screws & Small R9's T20
R9's & small RSS T25
Caliburn T30/T40

It does get to be a bit much...I've gotten good with their color coded system, most of the guys ask for "Green Bits" or "Gold Bits" or "Red Bits" now instead of calling them what they are...If everything were the green T25's I'd be thrilled...ok, keep the trim screws tiny, but make them less likely to strip out because they're a pain if they do!
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For me it was first the mixing deck bits and phillips, then it was mixing deck bits and T25 deck bits, then it was mixing up the t20 and t25 if I had smaller than 3" screws and 3" and larger. FINALLY they wised up and made them all t25 and for a year or two I was set. NOW I have found myself using a lot of the grk screws which use t15 and t10. Make all the damn screws t25 except trim heads which would work for all from 1.5" to 5" if they use t15.
Seemed like a petty complaint so I have always kept it to myself, glad to see there are others as grumpy as I am about it.
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Agreed...I absolutely love and use GRK screws for a lot of things...but...
Trim Screws T15
Cabinet Screws & Small R9's T20
R9's & small RSS T25
Caliburn T30/T40

It does get to be a bit much...I've gotten good with their color coded system, most of the guys ask for "Green Bits" or "Gold Bits" or "Red Bits" now instead of calling them what they are...If everything were the green T25's I'd be thrilled...ok, keep the trim screws tiny, but make them less likely to strip out because they're a pain if they do!


That's me right there. I don't even know the numbers.

I used to use a lot of composite deck screws that take purple bits. Now I use the green bit for deck screws. I use the gold bit for trim screws, and I sometimes use the red bit to install vinyl windows. Headloks take the spider bit.




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Maybe we should just go back to slotted screws, ya buncha babies.

I don't mind T-20s.

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That explains why there was 300 views of this thread overnight but only 3 comments. We are here to build things with wood..............oh nevermind my mind went there too.
Haha I did the same thing!!
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And do you go ahead and use the t25 to run in or out the t27? They sorta work. Till they cam out then your like "oh well" sucks for anyone that has to take that screw out.

It's like half the door hinges in older homes are cammed out. Home owner........I tried to tighten it with my drill! (Shows me drill). Me........well you have a #1philips (or #3) bit in your drill. You need a #2. Homeowner.........there is different sizes of Philips?
I have, and it drives them but its wobbly as all hell.
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"Pissy BITs" - and Hissy Fits!
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Maybe we should just go back to slotted screws, ya buncha babies.

I don't mind T-20s.

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Says the guy who runs in t25 screws with the t20 bit.........meh.......it worked........lol
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I was helping some friends do a sub floor and the store we went, the 2 inch construction screws were T-20 and horrible to start and the 3 inch ones were T-25 and no problem to start. Took us forever using the 2 inch screws because they didnít want to start. Ended up going to home depo and buying a pack of grip rite construction screws to make my life easier even if it cost me a few dollars. Sped up the process ten fold. Plus I didnít have any T-20 bits on me so we had to go buy some becuase the box came with one bit and there were 3 of us screwing down the floor.
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Agreed...I absolutely love and use GRK screws for a lot of things...but...
Trim Screws T15
Cabinet Screws & Small R9's T20
R9's & small RSS T25
Caliburn T30/T40

It does get to be a bit much...I've gotten good with their color coded system, most of the guys ask for "Green Bits" or "Gold Bits" or "Red Bits" now instead of calling them what they are...If everything were the green T25's I'd be thrilled...ok, keep the trim screws tiny, but make them less likely to strip out because they're a pain if they do!


We got a bunch of the trim screws this spring, the first batch was t15. Then the second were t10. The exact same screws. So frustrating.


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