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Old 12-02-2008, 01:29 AM   #41
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I won't even comment on the majority of the responses here.

What a bunch of hard heads. (That usually comes from first generation owners).

Do your best. Not bull**** calling it your best.

He will either know the difference or you will kick his ass when you start to compete with him.

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Old 12-03-2008, 12:08 PM   #42
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thanks goes to the select few that gave me a decent response.
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:39 PM   #43
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Richard, I'm sorry to tell you this. You set yourself up for the exact responses you received.

You want to work for someone who is "LAID BACK". Most of the people here are "Professional" contractors.

Being laid back when it comes to getting a job done is NOT AN OPTION! Being laid back when it comes to employees is NOT AN OPTION!

Getting the job done is THE ONLY OPTION.

You can't be friendly with NEW HIRES. Sorry but we just don't know you well enough to be friendly with you. It is obvious from your OP that you didn't consider who you were presenting yourself to.

I am the definition of the "LAID BACK" employer. Thats my biggest problem as I se it today. Here's what I offered the guys that I hired in the past 2 months.

1. Higher pay that average in this area.
2. Cell phone usage allowed on the job.
3. Smoking allowed on the job.
4. Paid lunch (1 hour daily)
5. Breaks as desired.
6. Friendly conversation and understanding of problems.

Thats as "LAID BACK" as you can get.

Here's what I got for my niceness.

Guy calling me at 6 a.m. saying,"I can't make it in today, my wife wants to go shopping! I'll be in tomorrow."

2 hour lunch breaks when I wasn't on the job. Customer calling me wanting to know if they were coming back today!

45 minute b/s sessions on a 10 minute smoke break.

My own son-in-law talking on his cell phone for 5 hours in a 7 hour day. Customer calls me complaining.

Now ask yourself this, Do you think I am going to be "LAID BACK" anymore?
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Old 12-03-2008, 01:13 PM   #44
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Richard, I'm sorry to tell you this. You set yourself up for the exact responses you received.

You want to work for someone who is "LAID BACK". Most of the people here are "Professional" contractors.

Being laid back when it comes to getting a job done is NOT AN OPTION! Being laid back when it comes to employees is NOT AN OPTION!

Getting the job done is THE ONLY OPTION.

You can't be friendly with NEW HIRES. Sorry but we just don't know you well enough to be friendly with you. It is obvious from your OP that you didn't consider who you were presenting yourself to.

I am the definition of the "LAID BACK" employer. Thats my biggest problem as I se it today. Here's what I offered the guys that I hired in the past 2 months.

1. Higher pay that average in this area.
2. Cell phone usage allowed on the job.
3. Smoking allowed on the job.
4. Paid lunch (1 hour daily)
5. Breaks as desired.
6. Friendly conversation and understanding of problems.

Thats as "LAID BACK" as you can get.

Here's what I got for my niceness.

Guy calling me at 6 a.m. saying,"I can't make it in today, my wife wants to go shopping! I'll be in tomorrow."

2 hour lunch breaks when I wasn't on the job. Customer calling me wanting to know if they were coming back today!

45 minute b/s sessions on a 10 minute smoke break.

My own son-in-law talking on his cell phone for 5 hours in a 7 hour day. Customer calls me complaining.

Now ask yourself this, Do you think I am going to be "LAID BACK" anymore?
I know how ya feel! That is why i like to keep the crew small. Ie me and one other but possibly 2. To the op- I run a laid back set of guys too. The reason i can is because i have trust in them to get the job done when it needs to be done. Yea they goof around a bit and talk. When your new your going to get kicked round a bit. I worked for a framing guy in cali and wow I almost wanted to beat his ass on a daily basis. I know the feeling of getting beat up. Really it is not worth it, but I was never late, always wrapped my stuff after time. I finished what i had too even if it was off clock. To show I wanted to be there. I left after 2 weeks of that because I was still getting kicked around. You did open yourself up to a bunch of trash talking but try what some of the guys have said. Show up a little earlier be ready to work, maybe start bringin your boss coffee along with donuts for the guys. That actually works!! In the morning have your stuff ready to go along with the tools you can get going. IF YOUR LEANING ON A JOB THAT IS FINE YOU BETTER BE PUSHIN THE BROOM! That may help ya out too.
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Old 12-03-2008, 02:30 PM   #45
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thanks goes to the select few that gave me a decent response.

You're welcome Richard!

Can I call you Dick?

Well Dick, what did you decide?
Kiss ass or kick ass or haul ass?
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Old 12-03-2008, 03:00 PM   #46
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that damn underlining is driving me nuckin' futz....
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:48 PM   #48
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"richard123 is not on so I am not going to read any of his posts" thought Bill
"I am just going to scan a few and make a comment, nobody reads them all anyway."

"wow, this post could have some meat, I am going to sneak out and not leave a comment and come back later and read this."
hey look!

it's creepy 3rd-Person-Speak Guy
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Aaaawwww..... do we need to call the wa wambulance!
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:47 PM   #50
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I think i may have worded this post slightly wrong. now reading over it i can see who i may have came across like a snobby adolesent.

answering some of your many questions, i turn up to work early every morning and mostly stay late on most days, i am always willing to succeed and impove, taking pride in every task i am assigned.

the problem i do have is more bullying for example when i have just started a specific task straight away he will be telling me to hurry up, name calling for example and belittleing me.

I hope some of you could advise me more wisely this time.


please be open minded here. I am not being funny and I am not trying to hurt your feelings. But I want you to understand this:


do you know what the difference between you and I, Richard?



I could call your boss tomorrow morning ... start working before lunch. I would work through lunch. In fact - our boss is paying me LESS than you, since I just started and all

I would work CIRCLES around you. And I would make you feel bad while I was doing it. And I would make you look bad. Intentionally too - just because it would be fun. I wouldn't say anything though, I'd just keep working. But I'd be working fast and accurate. There would be nothing else on my mind except the task at hand and WHILE I was working, I would be continuously asking myself "how can I make this more efficient?"

So then I would become more efficient --- without your boss (or, "our" boss rather) telling me how to do it. I would simply just become efficient.

So now I'm working circles around you AND i am more efficient. Mind you, i haven't stopped to think about this. I have been continuously working, and figuring out the whole time how to become more efficient.


Within one week - I will take your job. May even take just one day -- but our boss is trying to get a feel for me.

I can now fill two positions - simply because I am working SMARTER and HARDER than you could. While you we're chasing lunchtime and crying because someone likened you to "molasses" -- I was chasing your job. I had fun doing it too - you were just getting in the way. And it was easy.

Here's the kicker: I can do this to you in just about ANY industry or work environment there is. You simply have NO job security if we're working together.







If you can identify where I am coming from in this - then maybe, just maybe I could give you some tips on how to deal with your boss.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:58 PM   #51
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I think i may have worded this post slightly wrong. now reading over it i can see who i may have came across like a snobby adolesent.

answering some of your many questions, i turn up to work early every morning and mostly stay late on most days, i am always willing to succeed and impove, taking pride in every task i am assigned.

the problem i do have is more bullying for example when i have just started a specific task straight away he will be telling me to hurry up, name calling for example and belittleing me.

I hope some of you could advise me more wisely this time.
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Here ya go Richard123!
An RBSREMODELING flashback just for you!

This thread says it all!
http://www.contractortalk.com/f11/no-crying-construction-39195/
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please be open minded here. I am not being funny and I am not trying to hurt your feelings. But I want you to understand this:


do you know what the difference between you and I, Richard?



I could call your boss tomorrow morning ... start working before lunch. I would work through lunch. In fact - our boss is paying me LESS than you, since I just started and all

I would work CIRCLES around you. And I would make you feel bad while I was doing it. And I would make you look bad. Intentionally too - just because it would be fun. I wouldn't say anything though, I'd just keep working. But I'd be working fast and accurate. There would be nothing else on my mind except the task at hand and WHILE I was working, I would be continuously asking myself "how can I make this more efficient?"

So then I would become more efficient --- without your boss (or, "our" boss rather) telling me how to do it. I would simply just become efficient.

So now I'm working circles around you AND i am more efficient. Mind you, i haven't stopped to think about this. I have been continuously working, and figuring out the whole time how to become more efficient.


Within one week - I will take your job. May even take just one day -- but our boss is trying to get a feel for me.

I can now fill two positions - simply because I am working SMARTER and HARDER than you could. While you we're chasing lunchtime and crying because someone likened you to "molasses" -- I was chasing your job. I had fun doing it too - you were just getting in the way. And it was easy.

Here's the kicker: I can do this to you in just about ANY industry or work environment there is. You simply have NO job security if we're working together.







If you can identify where I am coming from in this - then maybe, just maybe I could give you some tips on how to deal with your boss.
I was going to put a clip in from youtube from Boogie Nights but I was sure it would get removed right away so I'll just type it.......
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Here ya go Richard123!
An RBSREMODELING flashback just for you!

This thread says it all!
http://www.contractortalk.com/f11/no-crying-construction-39195/
After reading that thread, it is quite clear to me that many of the men here have gotten in touch with their inner mangina.
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After reading that thread, it is quite clear to me that many of the men here have gotten in touch with their inner mangina.
That thread is on my Rory Classics list.
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Your a star, your a star, your a big shinning star!
that's not the first time today that I've been serenaded by a scruffy carpenter





props to you, however, in "getting it" though
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"Crappy" is a perspective and a word that is Incumbent upon YOU!!!!!

Adjustment may be in store...........
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dirt diggler .... wow you seem very confident, i hope your ego grew when as soon as you made that post.

once again i will thank the select few who post a mature answer in response to my question.
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dirt diggler .... wow you seem very confident, i hope your ego grew when as soon as you made that post.
no, it didn't. I deal with "you" everyday. I give "you" work everyday so that "you" can feed "your" family and "you" have the nerve to complain.

the advice is in there (my prior post, not this one) --- if you're too sensitive to look for it, that's your problem

there's lots of "me's" in the world too. Some of them make me look like a Hallmark Card.
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