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HB&G Permacast Help
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06-29-2008, 10:22 AM
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HB&G Permacast Help
Hey all,
I'm trying to use HB&G Permacast columns as the supports for a beam on a freestanding deck (attached to house but not bearing). Anyone know the best way to anchor these to footings and to connect the beam to the top of them? Only used them in wood to wood applications before. Thanks, Andrew |
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06-29-2008, 11:21 AM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
I just predrill the bases and use a TapCon.
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06-29-2008, 11:35 AM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
You mean screwing brackets into the column and then using tapcons to attach those brackets into the masonry footing?
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06-29-2008, 12:30 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
I would attach base first with tapcons like Jason said then cut the column and slide it into place.
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06-29-2008, 12:42 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Oh OK, for some reason I thought the base on those permacasts was just trim and not structural.
Am I wrong about this? |
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06-29-2008, 12:46 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
The base and the capitals are what holds the columns from shifting from side to side. I wouldn't run a screw into the column itself because you could ruin the structural integrity of the columns by weakening it with holes from the screws.
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06-29-2008, 12:51 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Honestly I not sure. But I would assume they are structual since the column sits on or in the bases, they would transfer the weight of the deck to the column. Even though the bases are referred to as ornamental features. I am sure someone smart than me will be around with a better answer
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06-29-2008, 12:53 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Ok, now I understand. So for the cap connecting to the beam.....screw or lag those into the (3)2x10 beam bearing on it?
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06-29-2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
One other thing; I usually cut my column to size, slide the base and capital over the column, move the column into place, and attach the base and capital.
If you have several in line with each other, set them to a center mark rather than a string line. These columns vary in shape and size. If you string one side, the opposite side will look out of whack. Best to snap a center line along the row and trust that line.
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06-29-2008, 12:57 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast HelpQuote:
Caulk around the base and capital to the column but not to the floor. Let water come out at the bottom should the caulk joint ever fail. Use a good sealant with plenty of flexability. I would use DynaFlex, not painters caulk.
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06-29-2008, 01:01 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Yup Jason got you on the right track.
I see you are in DC. Do you want me to run the calcs, size the columns and install them for you too 
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06-29-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Would be open to it, as long as the contractor is OK with you taking a good chunk of his profit
 
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06-29-2008, 01:05 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Thanks to Jason as well.
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06-29-2008, 01:07 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Email me when you get a chance and I will put your info in my rolodex rory@rbsremodeling.com
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06-29-2008, 01:08 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
RBS, I do work with contractors in the DC, VA, MD area, send me an email at agolk2@gmail.com -- we could give each other some work I'm sure.
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06-29-2008, 01:37 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Email sent Andrew
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06-29-2008, 03:32 PM
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Re: HB&G Permacast Help
Here what I have done in the past. Just thought I throw it out there, I took some 5/4 ACQ and cut it the same dia. as the inside of the post just shy 1/4" and screwed it down to the deck and then laid the column over it to help give it some support from kicking side to side. I have seen some BRATS! grabbing them and swinging around, just did not want to put all my faith in the base's being the only thing holding them in place. Don't want to wind up with a letter from there Lawyer if you know what I mean.
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