losthenfound

Caulking is a service issue and yes we do tell the consumer about the caulking. You can see the caulking. You can't see the water and the leaks under the vinyl. You don't tell your clients that your product leaks because you don't believe it leaks.

Patrick

WOW WOWOWOWOWOW If one person installs Hardi like that, then everyone must install Hardi Like that!

losthenfound

Sorry guys - I'm trolln' for tuna down skid row.

tinner666

No matter the product, it's up to the installer. Here's a few pics of necessary things to do to fiber cement, wood, etc.

http://www.rooferscoffeeshop.com/sho...&file=5557&s=0
I didn't have any siding available, so I used a piece of 1x6 to illustrate.
In the first pic, I clipped the corner the way a butt joint needs to be clipped.
In the second pic, I clipped the corner the way a dorma side piece needs to be clipped.
The third pic shows how the siding looks at the butted end. Sorry, I forgot to add a piece of corner board.
The 4th pic is an end view of the lap.
In the 5th, I slid the upper piece to the side to better show how the clipped corner is hidden.
The 6th pic is just another end view.

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losthenfound

There are many that try hard to do a good job. I say that when you start out with a flawed system, and you know it, and you don't say anything - It is your fault. You are right Tinner....It is the installer

oldfrt

James Hardie Industries, the biggest seller of home siding in the United States, said Monday its profit fell 12 percent for the first half, excluding funds for an asbestos victims fund.The company, based in Sydney, expects weakness in its important North American market until at least the end of its fiscal year on March 31.
A backlog of new houses for sale and other indicators -- including housing permits and builder confidence -- suggest a quick recovery is unlikely, the company said.

losthenfound

Don't get the relationship between Hardie and the Leak integrity of Vinyl Siding. Libs change the subject when they can't stand the heat.

Ed the Roofer

I am sorry that I initially presumed you to be an intelligent species.

Poor installations with Hardi can and do leak.

Poor installations with any exterior cladding can and do leak.

Wasn't it you that was espousing the flammability of vinyl siding?

What does that have to do with the Leak Integrity Of Vinyl Siding, if I may be so bold to inquire?

Would not other important issues regarding the entire picture be justified to be remarked upon in a thread discussing the various products inherent qualities or lack thereof?

A little one sided of an input region in the grey matter, I see.

Ohhhh. Only when someone else provides a logical rationale to the topic, does it become an off topic remark.

Ed

losthenfound

Ed
That is a crappy Fiber Cement job and the photos show it. There are many Vinyl Sidiers up here trying to get into this market. We get the calls (several a month). All I can say is rip it off and start over. I also say that anyone who installs vinyl siding either knows better and aren't say'n -or- they know no better. Either way - Do you want them working on your home? If you think about this - It seperates the men from the boys. (This means anyone who sells both products is questionable)

Ed the Roofer

Bob,

For being the vice-president of a very well reknowned company, I feel that you lower yourself and your companies image by continuing this banter that "The Sky Is Falling", continually attempting to drive this topic into a product failure rationale, when all evidence put forth by yourself and any other member continually reinforces the proper causation of any of the mentioned products real underlying doom, which inevitably comes back to installation error.

Some companies revert to this method of marketing to reinforce fear into the minds of the consumer market, to justify their product line, rather that embrace the proper installation methods required for any product. I also conclude that your compony does do the proper installation methods, so this is not meant to be a slap at your installation methods.

Knowing both sides of the coin, one could conclude that your entire mission statement is this:



Obviously, this marketing strategy works. Personally, I feel that type of "Salesmanship" to be despicable.

I had the "Pleasure" to sit in at a Home Depot roofing presentation at my former secretaries home, just to see their methodology for justifying the higher end prices they get away with charging.

Their flip chart contained nothing about the correct installation methods, but continually hammered home the aspect of poor craftsmanship and gypsy contractors, which they pretend to not be associated with. For them, nothing could be farther from the truth. Read the horror stories of many consumers taken in by their slick "Sky Is Falling" manifesto, and you see that they mostly are completely dissatisfied with all aspects of their dealings with Home Depot tactics.

Your diatribe seems rather curiously similar.

Point out the correct methods of application versus the more commonly incorrect methods which occur far too often in the entire remodeling and retrofit industry, rather than circle the bandwagons for your doom and gloom stories about the products themselves.

You proclaim to be a leader, fighting for the cosumers best interest, yet, would they not be better served by the manufacturers not allowing so many hacks and DIY'ers from doing the installations? Could there not be a "Certified Installer" category, giving the true conscientious installation contractor a price benefit versus the uncertified or DIY handyman, thereby broadening the pricing gap, which would make choosing the less qualified installer immaterial?

Fight for the right causes, instead of self serving justification. I know that you are just trolling for comments that you can add to your sales materials, but try to really define the more altruistic potential that a broad forum voice could carry, instead of slamming improperly installed products and turning that fact into a product failure.

Sincerely,

Ed

losthenfound

Diatribe- We know who you are and you just disparaged a major player here. You admitted that you set them up to sit in on a presentation (of a competitor). You think I am marketing here? Wow, when you live in a glass house - don't throw rocks.

You have it all wrong and it is you that are narrow. The question comes in when the words "proper" and "correctly" are used to describe a system that when installed by manufacturer specs LEAKS.

Ed - I will answer any question about the subject matter. You and those like you hurl confusion at the fan here in this forum.

I guess you are promoting some kind of protectionism here. That would be as bad as any other government program. Free thought and expression of ideas is what makes us great. This propaganda is what keeps control of the unknowing.

nywoodwizard

Although i don't do siding often ,I find there are some obvious flaws in most siding and installation techniques. Installations counting for the majority of the problems. I've seen new vinyl siding jobs that funneled more water into a house that if there was nothing on it. I've also seen 140 year old Doug fir siding with half the paint pealed of that still held up well after all those years. Most guys i believe like to install vinyl siding because its easy to install,fast and very forgiving if a mistake occurs.

Some are good at and some are not, most of the time its the customer who's his own worst enemy, choosing the $5000 estimate over the $15,000 one. They can't rationalize the difference in estimates and end up getting exactly what they paid for.

I myself wood prefer a quality wood or cement siding. Both have the potential to last over a hundred years if installed and maintained properly. I've only done one cement siding job, i think I've done fairly well and learned a few things along the way, don't think i'd want to do it everyday though.

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