Watertight Integrity Of Viynl Siding?

oldfrt

and then caulking is used on the remaining 3 sides. Tight and not intended to leak. When re-caulking is needed - YOU RE-CAULK.


Sounds like a problem waiting to happen .
This is where the Warranty becomes void!
If you don't caulk,you can't be covered.

A siding system is only as good as it's weakest link.
That link being the caulk.
Now how's the HO going to get up to all those joints and do that caulking,and,if he hires someone else to do it,is it being done right.
You have your own caulking crews?

losthenfound

Oldfrt
How do you get to the sublevel (tarpaper) details when they wear out? How do you fix that without tearing off the siding? When the duct tape wears out, what then?

On the verticals of the J Chanell (Vinyl) and on the Vertical Trim Joints (Fiber Cement), little water would enter. FC is caulked tight and Vinyl is open. The real problem can occur at the top if there is not a true watershed.

Patrick

This guys just a moron he keeps talking about duct tape. Who the F said that they use duct tape. It was CLEARLY stated numerous times that the tape was used to represent flashing IN A MOCK UP DUMB A$$!!!!!!

losthenfound

Woooo angry are we? Just made a point - whatever tape you use. What happens when it wears out?

Patrick

Made a point of what? How retarded you are? Our flashings are made from aluminum, Last I checked it didn't break down as fast as caulking. I'm not angry at all. Your the one thats obviously angry cause you cannot compete with the vinyl market, which is obvious, cause you spend your days on contractor talk trying to push your product on a bunch of contractors who install vinyl. Why don't you go try to attract some real customers....Or wait, are they all having their houses sided with vinyl?

losthenfound

Yea that is why we are starving to death with 2.5 m in sales this year. You don't get the point - The stuff LEAKS. Do you understand that? Only the unknowing or the uncaring install this stuff.

Walker1

losthenfound, do you tell your customers that they will have check all the joints on there house every year and maybe re-caulk them?

losthenfound

I addressed you guys on your obvious misunderstanding on the joints earlier. No caulk is used on the joints.

Your flashings are aluminum. How do you seal that? Water is directed under the siding and you flash with alumunum? Then what?

oldfrt

One customers out take on this product:

I recently hired a gold-certified Hardiplank installer to replace the siding on my house. They removed my old siding last week and began installing the new siding yesterday. There have been several problems already. What is the best way to get this stuff installed correctly? A partial list of problems follows:
1) Siding is face nailed, not blind nailed as specified in contract
2) Nails are deeply overdriven throughout
3) Some pieces of siding and trim are cracked, chipped, or otherwise damaged
4) Gaps around pipes/cables are very large and poorly done
5) Guest bathroom window is no longer flush with wall
6) Too many nails throughout (on siding as well as trim)
7) Trim improperly installed along bottom of wall in one place (should not need trim here)
8) Many nails are not driven perpendicular; some are hammered flat sideways on the siding
9) Many areas of the house are still exposed to weather with no house wrap (since last week)
10) Trim leaves holes along interface between siding and masonry. Also not flush with garage doors.

losthenfound

Looks like a Vinyl guy tried to do real siding again. We get several calls a month on this type of thing. Hardie is growing so fast in our area, the slappers are trying to get into the game.

Walker1

So your saying your installers do not use any caulking at the joints?

losthenfound

Field joints - no

Walker1

I'm not to smart in this siding stuff what do you mean Field joints ?

losthenfound

The field joints are the joints where one panel meets another.

Walker1

What do you do were the siding meets the windows? Caulk yes or no? Do you tell your customers to check the caulking every couple years?

thesidingpro

I've done a lot of vinyl tear offs. I've seen very few leaking problems behind the wall. The times I do it's because a hack installed it. Most common failure is under windows because the water doesn't shed properly.

What sucks is when I browse this forum as a guest I can read lostanddumbs posts.

Any pieces should be started with starter strip anyway. That is the fix for the detail in the post above. The only spots where j-channel acts like a gutter is above the windows. That should drain out at the bottom is the installer uses the proper flashing method.

A W Smith

lost if you directed all your hot air at siding we wouldnt have these problems

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losthenfound

I guess I can see why the average consumer is afraid to deal with contractors. The stigma of the contractor that is ill-informed or just plain uncaring is reinforced even here in this forum. Good and viable arguments are shunned for a status-quo mentality. You guys reject a mechanically correct approach because it may require moving out of your comfort zone. It is said, "LEAD, Follow, or get out of the way," so I guess that most of you will continue to follow flawed practices.

oldfrt

Another fine job by Lost!
Here are a few pictures of a house under construction near Jacksonville, Florida. The siding is Hardiplank®, a bevel lap fiber-cement board material that has become a very popular alternative to wood, vinyl, or aluminum. It is composed of portland cement, ground sand, cellulose fiber, "select additives" and water. However, this pet peeve is not about the material used to cover the exterior walls of this new house. Rather, what bothers me about this particular siding installation is the shortcut that was taken by the "mechanics" that have improperly installed it.
http://www.b4ubuild.com/peeves/peeve_007.shtml


Yes there are hacks for every occasion!

Walker1

So do you tell your customers to check the caulking? or do you go back to your jobs every few years to make sure the caulking is still good? You haven't answered my question?