Vinyl Siding Replacement

Rick26

We had hail damage last fall (I live in Minnesota). Our siding on our entire house needs to be replaced. We currently have Allside, which I hear is not that good of siding. We are currently looking at a couple of options and would like some opinions. The first one is Owens Corning Reminiscence. They would put Tyvek underneath. They were saying that they would match the seams, tape them, and wrap it around the house. Is this a quality siding?
The second option would be to go with Norandex Great Barrier, called Jaws lock. We had previously looked at Polar Wall plus. This has the insulation already attatched. We heard that it was not good to have it attatched since it can't expand and contract. Which siding have you heard that was good for Minnesota weather? Have you heard of any other good products that we might want to take the time to research?
Thanks!

Grumpy

Why is allside no good? Who told you that? I don't sell Allside, but I think they make a decent siding. All siding manufacturers make multiple ranges of siding. Compare each type, not the manufacturer only. You may also want to check Wolverine/Certainteed.

I have no experience with owens corning siding other than they own Norandex/Reynolds and it's probably the same exact siding stuffed in different boxes. What are the thicknesses of these sidings? .042? .044? .048? That's what you need to know. Also compare other features. UV protection? Double strength nailing hem? Soild color?

Tyvek is a must, that's good. If they are going over existing wood siding you also want insulation to even out the wall surface. I am not a fan of sidings with "built in" insulation. I prefer a seperate insulation board.

losthenfound

Vinyl Siding Leaks
Cracks
Fades
You'll wish you never installed it in about 3 to 5 years and in 10 years it is toast.

Vinyl Siding can devalue your Home and make it less valuable.


Vinyl Siding is highly flamable and toxic fumes can kill you before you have a chance to escape a building fire.

Vinyl Siding Leaks.


Vinyl Siding has to be frequently replaced because it fades and becomes brittle.


Vinyl Siding Cracks easily.


Vinyl Siding is not energy efficient.


Vinyl Siding can become a maintenance nightmare.

Just Google: "Truth about vinyl siding"

losthenfound

There is no way to install the product properly.

We speak the truth and we get our share of hate mail from installers that are making a ton of money perpetuating the Vinyl Lie.

jproffer

I know of houses that have had the same vinyl siding for well over your 10 year mark.

Both of those things? Really? Of course that's true...it CAN take value from your home. Then again so can about 1000 other things if they look completely wrong because you don't do them correctly.

Vinyl siding will melt, but I don't know about burning (and being HIGHLY flammable, no less). I would be much more worried about the carbon monoxide from the fire.

If installed correctly, it is physically impossible for vinyl siding to leak (unless of course gravity reverses itself, in which case, I for one, won't be terribly worried about my house leaking)

Vinyl siding has come a long way since it was first introduced. Naturally if you buy the lowest price junk you can find, then it may very well become brittle in short order.

Again...quality materials instead of junk makes a world of difference.

OK, one point for you, vinyl siding is not a great insulation. But then again, it's not really supposed to be.

With todays through colored, crack resistant, vinyl. I have to disagree. It's never been easier...install...enjoy. That's it.

Well there's a surprise, you work for an alternate type siding company as proven by: .
The names were changed so as not to "perpetuate" your quest for free advertising.

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firemike

Hmmmm...... I put vinyl siding on my house 9 years ago when we bought it, the SEV has almost doubled- Just think how much more it would be worth if I left the old faded, chaulky, weather-worn aluminum siding on it.


Gosh, I hope nobody sets my house on fire on the OUTSIDE. Not to worry, the inside is full of carpet, plastic items, furniture, wood, draperys, appliances, etc., all of which emit various toxic gasses when burned. I'll either escape or be dead long before the vinyl siding gets me.

And an: FYI: Rigid vinyl siding has a relatively high ignition temperature (around 736 F) as compared to other materials like wood and other plastics. This means that even when exposed to an open flame source, vinyl will resist ignition much longer than most materials, which could serve to slow or even stop the spread of a fire.

If vinyl siding catches fire, it has a much lower flame spread rate than some comparable siding products - two and a half times lower than that of cedar siding and three times lower than hardboard siding. This relatively low flame spread rate slows the growth of a fire, allowing occupants more time to escape.


Any siding improperly installed will leak - Remember all the class action lawsuits concerning EIFS and stucco the last few years....


True of original vinyl siding, but as I said, mine has been on my house for 9 years, looks as good today as when it was installed. True, there is a very minor amount of fading, as I noticed under the shutters when I took them of to repaint, but you had to really look close to see it. Brittle, maybe the cheap crap, mine still takes the hits and bumps from active grandkids and my own abuse. Another FYI: Acording to independent testing labs, good vinyl siding fades most during the first two years after installation, ater that, the fading is negligable.


I suppose on the days when it is hovering around zero degrees and I get an urge to whack it with a bat it would crack, but through all the storms, downed branches, hail, etc, only one crease where a tree limb hit it after it broke off during an ice storm. It just bent inward but did not crack.


While I am no engineer, I would think that vinyl siding with a foam backer would have slightly higher R value than a coat of paint, or plain aluminum siding.


Oh you don't know how right you are. I have had to wash it four times in the last nine years. Man, that is almost 12 hours out of my life...

Can't say that I have ever wished that I didn't install it, but since it's 9 years old now, I should start saving now so I can replace it this summer when it turns 10 years old. (Mayby I should just put some tarps around the house to catch the pieces as they start turning brittle, cracking, and falling off- make clean-up easier...)

In the words of Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood) "Children... Can you say SPAM!

Shingle Monkey

If you guys were not selling vinyl siding you could twist the "facts" to make your system look better.

Its all about the salesman

Glasshousebltr

Get off the crack pipe Lost.

Bob

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A+Carpenter

Wow. I am just amazed at the response to this thread.

Allside is a damn good product. I have installed over 10k square easy or 20k in many years. I always liked vinyl as in other threads I have posted. It's not so much the product being bad it is the installer. I side with every siding product known to man.

RULE OF THUMB install vinlyl with a 1/4 gaps in the corners and then adjust your staple gun the correct depth 1/16 is what I prefer. Never nail to the left of right of the tabs. Always stick on the middle for the exspansion for the 1/4 you did on the corners

5 nails on each side of your corners is good enough.

This lesson in vinyl will cost $45.00 for the time it took me to type it.

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A+Carpenter

YEA NO DOUBT HUH.

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losthenfound

Obviously all Vinyl Slappers. OK, there is a place for you at the bottom of the barrel. Vinyl LEAKS! You don't get it. The 'J' is a gutter above every window and door penetration of the plane. Water rolls down the wall, is collected in the 'J' Channels and directed behind the siding. Even the VSI admits it in the "weather barrier statement." I like to call it the "Band Aid Statement." You must install a good enough Band Aid to protect your house. Essentially, your protection is the TYVEK or the Tarpaper you use because the VSI has put you all on notice that VINYL SIDING IS A SUPPLEMENTAL RAIN SCREEN. Supplemental to what? IF it leaks - - NO WARRANTY - THAT'S WHAT. So you guys go on and side away in the sunset.

oldfrt

What's the matter,Lostenfound,loose another job to a Vinyl Siding Installer.
What other reason would have to bring this thread back from the dead?

Didn't Firemike set you straight? (post#6)

Accept it,every product has it's drawbacks, but vinyl is here to stay and the pure fact that so many people ask to have it done,should prove the product has stood the test of time.
If its installed by a qualified installer ,and a full weight panel is used,it will last a lifetime.

TimelessQuality

Hey Lost Hen,
Are you getting paid for this crap????

Patrick

He probably sells that permacoat spray on crap, $40,000 and you might not have to paint your house again

oldfrt

Hand me the fly swatter!!!

Home Serve

Go Git Him oldfrt
and thank you for doing it
Dave

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Home Serve

In my opinion Allside is top quality, Tyvek-yes, Great Barrier or any of that type of siding-no. It's not worth the extra $$ if you want extra insulation either blow it in the walls or put like 3/4" blue board or something on outside. That solid backed siding is not an economical way to add R value. Owens Corning have not installed it.
Good luck,
Dave

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TimelessQuality

FYI OC just sold their siding division to CT/wolverine.

vinylguy

4 seasons is from pa. and are being burn't by most contractors anymore just a high pressure sales company. looking nfor a different angle to sell with! this lost guy should be called loser! what a load of crap, also the solid core siding is a good product to use along with many other solid core and hollow core siding as with anything their is pro's and cons with all. this guy saw a chance to make a sale and started selling on this post before he evn talked to the H O could you imagine the load of crap he gives the H O once he's got them 1 on 1 in the home by themselves? i hope he does like his name sugest and gets lost!!!

Grumpy

Vinyl siding is not water proof and no manufacturer, nor the Vinyl Siding Institute, claim it to be water proof. Vinyl siding is a cladding. The real protection comes from a vapor barrier, such as Tyvek, which prevents water infiltration.

Vinyl siding is what it is. It's not the greatest siding in the world, but if you are properly installing a good product it will last well over 10 years. and when installed as a system, with isnulation and vapor barriers and if necessary flashing membranes, it will keep the water out and beautify your home.

This is not coming from a "vinyl slapper" but is coming from someone who installs many different types of siding including cedar, fibercement and other products of coarse including vinyl.