Vinly Siding On Cinder Block?

Henry5

I'm giving an estimate on a raised ranch house on a cinder block foundation. The customer wants to run the siding down 3ft onto the cinder block. Now the outside plywood is even with the block. If I fir out the block with 3/4 boards I will have to do the whole house to keep everything even. Can I get away with using Tapcons or something to hang the first 3ft?

Patrick

Wouldn't you be foaming the house anyways? We always foam so it wouldn't be a big deal to bump out 3/4

mdshunk

Why not? Sounds like a PITA, but seems like the siding would "slide" just the same as it slides on the roofer's you'd otherwise use.

Tom R

Personally, - - I think I would drill holes and insert plastic shields to attach the siding to the block, - - for three reasons.

1. the plastic shields are much less finicky to use then tapcons.

2. the screw-shanks will be a smaller diameter (for movement).

3. the screw-heads will have a much less pronounced profile (no telegraphing).

mdshunk

Tom... do you suppose if a guy used plastic anchors sized for #6 or #8 screws, he could use roofers right in the plastic anchors?

house bldr

Tapcons work fine,I have done it many times, you could also fasten a material the same thickness as the foam you are using (if any?) to keep the wall flush and then screw the siding to that as mentioned in the post above!

Tom R

Actually, - - that's what I was thinking at first, - - I just didn't post it 'cuz I never actually tried it.

Also, - - nails would be more likely to (eventually) pull out of the plastic then screws.

Tom M

Why not rip a 1/2" sheet of PT plywood into strips shoot and glue them in and use 1" roofers. A little tough to handle the nails but the plywood would be flush with the foam and the nails are floated out anyway. The tapcons may be the fastest way if its block and not poured wall.

ProSide

I have done this kind of work alot.. I have tried every way you can think of and tapcons as expensive as them little blue screws are.. In my opinion are by far the absolute best

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CharlesD

I've done several block buildings in siding. (maybe 20 or 30) Without any doubt the best way is to furr out the walls on 16 inch centers with 3/4 boards, insulate between them with rigid foam then nail the siding to the boards.
I'm not sure how much you have to cover but figure around 9 tapcons per full piece and start adding up. They ain't cheap.
Plus, unless you use washers the siding will eventually pop off the screws unless they have big heads and if you get a screw with a big head the body restricts the siding movement and you end up with oilcanning.
Vinyl applied directly to concrete or blocks is just wrong and shouldn't be done IMO.

RED HORSE 554

A pin has as much or more grip as nails have. Save the money use concrete fastining devices that you like and understand .

Tom Struble

ive used the plastic shutter plugs to install vinyl on block not big sections just areas around garage doors and the like

easy sider

I agree. We use 1x6 cedar or occasionally rip presure treated ply wood because you should not use untreated lumber against cement blocks to fur out the wall.

RED HORSE 554

or talk them into spray on stucco using a hopper box to cover the block with a texture with a nice knockdown finish or a directonal pull to give it a grain look

TRC

Strips of 3/4" with foam between sounds the best to me, although i've never tried it. Also, i think it would be easier to level the starter strip then trying to use tapcons, no?

Tom Struble

yes its a good way to handle it, when the build out isnt an issue i like to sheath over the foam and furring this way where ever you want to put a nail theres something there

TRC

I guess that's good if the build out isn't a problem and it's not too big of a job. That could get pretty expensive. But your right about being able to nail anywhere....very nice.

Javelin350

tapcon or ramset 3/4 inch fur strips on. roofing gun to install the siding then run a band board to make up the transition

johnsoko

my house is cinder block and i will be siding it this spring wanted to know if this sounds good I was going to paint or drylok the block first then use pressure treated 1 by 4 securing with tapcons every 16 inches also 1 by 6 on corners then rmax foam 3/4 inch thick in between furring boards.then tyvek it. any suggestions after that i will be using lp smart siding and trim. understand siding but confused on trim around windows. right now there is a concrete sill. what do i do with it. i want to put trim around window does this mean i have to cut sills flush with block. then what do you use for new sill but i will be installing new windows next year. I noticed you live in illinois so do i seem to be experienced in this thank you for help let me know what exactly i should do or even would like to give quote to do it. house is 1200 sq feet with 14 windows. 3 gable ends