xtdoggx2003

Hello All,

I work for a company Near Lowell, Indiana and just last year our company decided to take on installing Siding, Soffitt and Fascia. So our salesman figured it would be better to go with a piece rate pay scale instead of an hrly pay. I don't really know much about how you should be payed so I am here to see if myself and the 4 other people are getting raked over the coals here. Our pay scale is as follows:
Siding: $35.00/per sq.
Soffitt & Fascia: .50cents/per foot
Cutting a Can Light: $5.00/per hole cut
Beam and Post Wrap: usually bout $8.00/per hr.

That is bout it. It's like pulling teeth to get payed when i got to reframe a birdbox or put nailers in because nobody want's to tell the contractot to do it because they might go elsewhere. Please advise on this anybody. it's just not paying all that well, seems like we work our butt off for mere penny's.

send_it_all

I have my holesaw and electric drill ready to rock....where do I sign up to get $5 to cut a can light hole? I figure I can do about 500 before lunch time.

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liltrainerboy

holy poop batman.. u r gettn hosed ... any retard with a tonka toy tool belt can make at least 50... i would tell him to take that and shove it up his arssss. unless ur doin the great wall of china.. they gotta b makn 3 times than that. i hope your kids cut a lot of holes cause ship, u gotta make it up sometime. come work 4 me ill give ya 37 at least..lol

72chevy4x4

I've heard $65-70 /sq-not sure if that is the 'norm', just info from a few GC's.

GregWerner

Siding $110-160/sq
Soffit/Fascia $1.35 lnft
Prices are for subbing the work off someone else.

You are working for pennies!

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Glasshousebltr

Xdog .....I'll tell ya straight up buddy ........I even set all joking aside .....If the quality of your work is anywhere even close to industrial standards .......you would be worth twice that.

In fact .....being alive to witness the birth of the vinyl revolution and bouncing off hundreds ....if not thousands of vinyl jobs ......I've never heard of anyone getting less than around 48 and I wouldn't go so far as to even offer that to a fella as an opening stab at negotiations.....subbing or being subbed from I'd either get laughed at or not taken seriously.

I do have question however.......how the hell have you been eating?

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osborn

Let me ask this... Are you a sub for the company you work for ar an employee? Do the take taxes out of your check? Whos equipment are you using?

Ed the Roofer

I think he is too busy installing enough siding to be able to afford a Jr Whopper for the Friday night splurge.

Find out how much is being charged for the projects around your area, both low end and high end. Find out how much the materials costs are for the type of work you are doing.

Deduct anywhere from 20 % to 40 % from the total cost charged to assume his overhead and profit margins. (Just generalizing, as I don't know WC rates for trades other than roofing, which would be much higher than my assumptive siding costs.)

That leaves a balance. You should be getting any where from 25 % to 50 % of that remaining balance.

This is all assumptions, and a higher level of quality will create a higher demand for your services.

Ed

liltrainerboy

If an average ranch house is 24ish sq. 24x37=crap 888 plus a mix of bull**** 300 labor.... probably takes 3 guys 5 working days to do from the sounds of it 1200/3=400without taxes

Brickie

xtdoggx2003,

You happen to be my neck of the woods. I can tell you for a fact you are getting hosed big time. There's plenty of work out here, in fact it's booming. If you are any good you should have no problem finding work with other companies in the area that pay a lot more

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dougchips

XT, tell us about the benefits. A nice benefit package with some profit sharing and a company truck might make it more worth while.

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xtdoggx2003

Well we have a 401K package but there is no company match. I contribute 2% a week. Our insurance is outragous I pay $56 a week for medical for the family and $14 a week for Dental. I have short and long term disability coverage. We have to buy all our tools because they say they can't afford to buy them for us but they do supply a truck for us to drive to and from the job.

In order to Net $400.00 a week I have to Gross $615.00. We work in 3 man crews. my last job we just did the salesman told us that the Labor pay on the job was $1000.00 just 2 of us got that job done in 5days.

we have asked them to raise the pay and they aren't hearing it. Finally they gave us a mere $45 a sq for gables, $35 for setting up pole jacks and .60cents for gable soffit and fascia. still not enough to make it splitting 3 ways. we have to slave all day to make a dollar. it really sucks. I love what I do and all of us have great quality.

xtdoggx2003

I noticed that you are a Gutter contractor as well. That is waht I did for 3 years before getting moved to siding. what is your pay for gutters if you don't mind me asking.

xtdoggx2003

Yeah I agree with that but they don't. I got 2 other guys that is looking for a better paying job. what do you pay?

mci2980

I am told this is pretty high but you get what you pay for.
75-100 per square
2.00 lineal ft of facia,
2.00 " " soffit
2.00 frieze
2.00 regular rake
3.00 crown rake
2.50 gutter
3.00 gutter off/on
40.00 custom window/door opening
25.00 flat " "
10.00 per square foam insulation
50.00 cornice return
75.00 per hour on all extras (light cans,custom flashing,sill repair, storm door off/on etc)

I would think you deserve more, even if you were in Siberia. Make yourself a nice looking version of the list above, adjusted to your needs and shop it around. Find an average and make the boss/crook an offer or walk away. By shopping it around, even with higher prices you will probably get some interest from other builders who will say " well Joe Downthestreet does it for this much, your a little high here and a little high there.". Take note of what they are saying and adjust again. If your boss/crook is in the right ballpark then pack your bags and get out of Dodge You are working hard for little money.
good luck

roofwiz74

I work down in a lowell and cedar lake from time to time.I get round a 100 a sq depending who it is and how cut up.
If you don't mind me asking who do you work for?
take a day off and go hit some job sites.I have guys asking me everyday if I want more work.

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xtdoggx2003

I work for Gale Insulation. I think they start there bids out too low and have nowhere to increase becasue the contractor gets mad when the price goes up. So the room for pay increases is slim to none. I have told them to start the price out high but not outragous that way they can pay us more on the job and every once in a while lower the price once every 5 to 6 houses they build to make it look like you are cutting them a break.

shoemaker

Gale Insulation is part of the Masco Corp.

The price of siding on new homes here in Ohio has been driven down by cutthroats and Gale is trying to cut lower.
I've been in the business 26 yrs and I'm appalled by the lousy quality of siding instalation the last 10 yrs.
You are getting hosed.
That's the thing though.When the market slows,anyone with a 1/2 ton truck and a ladder is all of a sudden a sider.

Separate yourself from the herd.Cream rises.
Get yourself a VSI (Vinyl Siding Institute) Certification and bump your price or move on.
Most new construction rates here are $60+/sq $.90 for facia. $50/sq for soffit.Adding Tyvek or underlay is another $10 to $20/sq.
Box ends are $10.
Stick to renovation jobs if you can and you'll get another 50% over what I've quoted plus tearoff if needed.

<edit> I just remembered something about Gale.
Are you using company trucks and tools?
If so then that explains a bit more about the low pay.
If I remember correctly,they don't allow you to use your own trucks and tools.

Good luck

stacker

its been a few years but i used to do alot of adheered veener stone on houses for a siding company.i was paid $2.50 sq ft for stone..50 cents a foot to put on styrofoam.the company bought the stone from me,i manufactured it).i was making good money and thought i was cutting a fat hog in the ass,until.........i was finishing a job and the company owner called me the night before and asked me to pick up the check from the ho when i finished.the next day i pick up the check $17,000.00!!!now this was after the down payment of $5,000.so i got to figuring.with my labor and stone purchased from me was about $3000.00.sand and cement was about 250.00.metal lath was about 100.00.leaving about $13,600.00.not a bad profit.
but from what i learned later it worked like this.the owner of the siding company has a set price he "charges"his salesman,they will then sell a job adding their profit over and above what the company is charging them.its the subs that get the shaft.none of us could ever charge the prices they do and get the work.the key to their getting these jobs is financing.they will finance a homeowner and then sell the note.getting their money up front,and leaving the homeowner with another payment to tie them down for years to come

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CharlesD

I started sub contracting siding from the builder I was working for in 1974 in NW Indiana. All aluminum work. He paid me 25 dollars a sq. and 1.50 for soffit and facia then. When I left the area in 78 I was getting all the work I wanted for 35 dollars a sq.
Everyone I know now who subs siding is making 80-120 a sq. But they furnish their tools and insurance. Still, 35 a sq. with the company furnishing everything sounds cheap.
A friend of mine who is in the siding business is selling vinyl siding for 600.00 sq and paying his subs 110.00 plus the extras for resides.
I was getting over 400.00 a sq. when I retired from the remodeling business in 97.
It's hard to believe how prices are being driving down. Thank God for NAFTA and open borders.