I got to say I applaud you on your perserverence in innovation,production,and marketing of your system.I've downloaded and read the installation instructions and viewed your claims.
I can see the merits of this system for wood and composit siding .Since traditional installation techniques do not allow for any type of air flow.We have used the batten method on higher end siding jobs for this reason and it has increased the life of some painted finishes
Your only posts here have been about your product.
So let's annalize what it can really do;
Your claim:
Saves labor costs and allows crews to do more jobs! My opinion:
Your are fastening a system to fasten siding to,that's two steps and I'll bet I can have a wall 75% finished before you get yours set up.I've done the batten system and it't basically the same procedure other than yours requires a horizontal line up of all tabs.
Your claim;
Easier to install with less skill required! My opinion;
How can you say less skill is involved when training is required to use this system?You would have to reteach your installers.Very costly and time consuming. Your claim;
Drastically reduces the fatique, and injury caused by the hammering process My opinion;
I guess running up and down a ladder to vertically fasten would be less of a chore? Your claim;
Better quality installations with drastically reducing callbacks My opinion;
I have never had a callback for any reason on installations and consider this claim misleading and solely for salemanship. Your claim;
Easier to straighten out uneven walls, because of the ability to FLOAT the strips My opinion;
The same method you describe to shim your product can de applied without it. Your claim:
Gives you the same results as the thicker high-end panels that are on the market today, using a thinner more affordable panel! My opinion;
As in your instructions the heavier panels cannot be used with this system; While SIDING-MASTER™ is designed to work with most vinyl siding panels on the market, the following are not recommended for use with the SIDING-MASTER™ Vinyl Siding Attachment & Alignment System™ or SIDING-MASTER™ Overhang Attachment & Alignment System™: 3/8" exposure horizontal siding .040 or .042 thick panels Double course nailing hems Panels that have too tight of a hem on the back of the siding panel Panels that do not have enough room for the face of the Siding-Master hook to fit into Panels that do not have a hem (Pittsburg lock) on the back of panel Panels with a nail-tight hem and suspension cables All laminated panels (Insulated siding- foam glued)
So your applying a lower quality siding with a high end system.
Might as well put lipstick on a pig and call it prime rib!
Like I stated earlier,It may be good for wood and composit siding on todays tightly constructed homes,but since vinyl already has an air space behind it,I believe it doesn't need this system unless there were exterme moisture problems to remedy.
I wish you luck with your system,but try and go easy on us common folk.Most of the guys here do quality work and take pride in what they've accomplished,so making unsubsustantuated claims about 9 out of 10 jobs failing will only bring the bulls out in the pen.
AGAIN:ONLY MY TWO CENTS
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While SIDING-MASTER is designed to work with most vinyl siding panels on the market, the following are not recommended for use with the SIDING-MASTER Vinyl Siding Attachment & Alignment System or SIDING-MASTER Overhang Attachment & Alignment System: 3/8" exposure horizontal siding .040 or .042 thick panels Double course nailing hems Panels that have too tight of a hem on the back of the siding panel
That excludes me from your customer base right off the bat.
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While SIDING-MASTER is designed to work with most vinyl siding panels on the market, the following are not recommended for use with the SIDING-MASTER Vinyl Siding Attachment & Alignment System or SIDING-MASTER Overhang Attachment & Alignment System: 3/8" exposure horizontal siding .040 or .042 thick panels Double course nailing hems Panels that have too tight of a hem on the back of the siding panel
That excludes me from your customer base right off the bat.
You are not reading this correct. It will work with thicker panels.
I got to say I applaud you on your perserverence in innovation,production,and marketing of your system.I've downloaded and read the installation instructions and viewed your claims.
I can see the merits of this system for wood and composit siding .Since traditional installation techniques do not allow for any type of air flow.We have used the batten method on higher end siding jobs for this reason and it has increased the life of some painted finishes
Your only posts here have been about your product.
So let's annalize what it can really do;
Your claim:
Saves labor costs and allows crews to do more jobs! My opinion:
Your are fastening a system to fasten siding to,that's two steps and I'll bet I can have a wall 75% finished before you get yours set up.I've done the batten system and it't basically the same procedure other than yours requires a horizontal line up of all tabs.
You are assuming a lot here. All I can tell you is what I stated in my previous post about the speed
Your claim;
Easier to install with less skill required! My opinion;
How can you say less skill is involved when training is required to use this system?You would have to reteach your installers.Very costly and time consuming. I have video that I will post proving to you that there is a small learning curve Your claim;
Drastically reduces the fatique, and injury caused by the hammering process My opinion;
I guess running up and down a ladder to vertically fasten would be less of a chore? No comment now you are just being sarchastic Your claim;
Better quality installations with drastically reducing callbacks My opinion;
I have never had a callback for any reason on installations and consider this claim misleading and solely for salemanship. I find it hard to believe that you have NEVER had a service call. I think that you are the one who is being the salesman here You must not do a lot of siding Your claim;
Easier to straighten out uneven walls, because of the ability to FLOAT the strips My opinion;
The same method you describe to shim your product can de applied without it. I already addressed this in a previous post Your claim:
Gives you the same results as the thicker high-end panels that are on the market today, using a thinner more affordable panel! My opinion;
As in your instructions the heavier panels cannot be used with this system; You read the instructions wrong While SIDING-MASTER is designed to work with most vinyl siding panels on the market, the following are not recommended for use with the SIDING-MASTER Vinyl Siding Attachment & Alignment System or SIDING-MASTER Overhang Attachment & Alignment System: 3/8" exposure horizontal siding .040 or .042 thick panels Double course nailing hems Panels that have too tight of a hem on the back of the siding panel Panels that do not have enough room for the face of the Siding-Master hook to fit into Panels that do not have a hem (Pittsburg lock) on the back of panel Panels with a nail-tight hem and suspension cables All laminated panels (Insulated siding- foam glued)
So your applying a lower quality siding with a high end system.
Might as well put lipstick on a pig and call it prime rib! No comment not worth responding to I tried to explain this in a prior post now you are just being negative.
Like I stated earlier,It may be good for wood and composit siding on todays tightly constructed homes,but since vinyl already has an air space behind it,I believe it doesn't need this system unless there were exterme moisture problems to remedy.
[b] I will send you data that proves this. This is your opinion. I will take the opinion from an actual expert who studies building science not a contractor that gives his opinion without doing his research
I wish you luck with your system,but try and go easy on us common folk.Most of the guys here do quality work and take pride in what they've accomplished,so making unsubsustantuated claims about 9 out of 10 jobs failing will only bring the bulls out in the pen.
AGAIN:ONLY MY TWO CENTS
I never said that siding fails 9 out 10 times. Please read what I said before making a comment that you did not read correctly
Let me ask all of you this. On a reside do you hit every single stud when nailing your vinyl? If you say yes I find this very hard to believe. If you say no then you are voiding the manufactures warranty. I would like to see some photos of your work with photos of a wall looking straight down the wall. How do you correct an uneven wall? Please answer these questions and I will be more than happy to respond to you. I am not trying to convince the contractor of this products merits. The home owner is the one that I care about. They are easily convinced once they see this new system and the data that has came out. I have been in this business for over 30 years and have yet to see an installer that installs siding perfectly every single job. All you have to do is drive down the street and look at walls that have been sided.be will 9 out of10 wavy and not straight. As far as vinyl siding needing a rainscreen, if you have ever went back to one of your installations after a heavy rain and shook the panel you will see that water comes out of the siding. Take a piece of plexiglass and attach a piece of vinyl siding to it, run water behind the panel and see for yourself how the water gets trapped at the nailing hem and middle of the panel where it sits against the plexiglass. It does NOT all drain out the weep holes. If water is allowed to stay behind the siding then it will soak into the substrate. There is a new report out about how siding traps moisture. Vinyl retained the most moisture and did not fully drain out. It is not me that is giving you this opinion but it is the building science experts that are.
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Is this a forum to put down people or is it a forum to learn. I think that you just want to give people a hard time.
I am not commenting on
your product.
Your post however is very taxing
to the reader.
Perhaps if you would use color
to highlight your responses
within the quote?
What you said may have merit,
it's just impossible to follow.
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Why can't you show a wall up close with vinyl siding? This is what I asked for. Any siding installation will look fine from the street. Show me some photos from 3 jobs you have done over 2 years old looking straight down the wall.
We need a competetion, John Henry style. Sidingmonster and his crew of "unskilled" labor vs. lets say Loneframer's crew hangin the old fashioned way. Two identical jobs next to one another. We will see who gets done first and tally up all the costs of materials and labor. Both crews to use same siding of course.
Have we heard anything about cost of this system yet? How much does it add to the cost of materials? 10%? 30%? If the guy could actually back up what he claims I think we would all herald him a hero. However, right off the bat he bad mouths the very people who would potentially buy his product, and stating he doesn't care about the contractors and is marketing to homeowners, on a contractor forum. Great marketing strategy. I can count the number of homeowners that I know who have sided their own house in the fifteen years I've been doing home improvements. How many siding jobs does the average siding contractor do in a year? I'd say the contractors far outweigh the homeowners in market share of siding products purchased. Maybe you should try Billy Zane and the pitchmen to sell your product. As for testimonials I will say this. "Since I've tried Extenze, the ladies all call me tripod"
You can lead us work horses to water, but I for one will NOT drink the Kool-Ade.
I do wish you, Sidingmastoid, the best of luck with your present and future endeavers.
putting vinyl directly over furring can sometimes be a problem long term as the panels can sag in between each strip without sheathing or foam directly behind it
i also had problems with your web site my pc kept freezing up
i see you have a product for fiber cement that looks interesting but i lost patience with the site
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i also had problems with your web site my pc kept freezing up
i see you have a product for fiber cement that looks interesting but i lost patience with the site
Have you noticed site design
people don't seem to care about that?
It turns me right off.
If they want me to jump
through their hoops right
off the bat......
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This product is not an approved installation method in compliance with the installation manuals provided by any of the vinyl siding manufacturers to date and would VOID the existing waranties offered.
This product is not an approved installation method in compliance with the installation manuals provided by any of the vinyl siding manufacturers to date and would VOID the existing waranties offered.
bingo! that's what I am thinking. This guy is talking about manuf. voiding warranties for missing a stud or three? That does not happen in the real world at least in my experience. Not only that, but the XL29 is a nuisance in my market sold direct with no local distribution, how can I get behind that!?!?
IMO these types of siding are all in the name of more talking points, seperate from the competition (IN THE HOME SELLING) etc. . .
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