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Originally Posted by loneframer
To answer your question, I don't make a habit of taking pictures six inches away from the wall looking down it, but when I get a chance I'll do it. As far as your system goes, you didn't answer my questions yet. Furthermore, even if your system goes on perfectly straight, how does it compensate for studs that crown and bow over time. Most of my siding jobs are over new construction before drywall goes on. How can you guarantee your system against natural conditions of wood framing? Give me your honest answer as to practicality of your system as opposed to say, Homeslicker as an alternative to yours.
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Thank you for showing the photos. From these pictures it appears you do quality work. My point is that many contractors do not. I invented this product for the masses not the 5% of contractors that take the time to install siding the correct way. If you install your siding correctly you will still not be able to offer many of the benefits that this system offers.
As far as the questions you have about speed of the installation.
1. It lays the job out faster by using the strips as a story pole. Layout is one of the most time consuming chores as far as vinyl siding goes if you want your corners and reveals above the opening's to line up correctly. If your reveals do not line up above windows then you will get panels that do not fully lock into one another thus causing a service call.
2. The strip on the average only take about 1 1/2- 2 minutes per strip to install. Once the strips are up, shimmed and aligned, the siding goes up very fast because you are not having to check every single panel to see if they are laying straight. When you are nailing siding you have to adjust every panel as you go up the wall. Maybe you do take the time but most installers do not take the time to do this, thus they get a wavy looking appearance. If you float a nail then you are creating another problem such as loose siding that rattles in the wind. Even if you use lathe behind the fanfold insulation it is very difficult to drive a nail though the insulation and through the lathe. It just does not happen that often.
3. There is only one chalk line that is needed per wall instead of chalk lining every 3-4 panels as is suggested by manufactures to keep a wall straight and reveals aligned.
4. The panels will always lock into the correct position on every panel. As you know all it takes is not locking in one panel all the way and your corners and reveals can get off easily. Thus creating a potential service call and corners not matching up.
5. The other factor that speeds up the installation is that the hammering process causes fatigue. You get tired after a long day of hammering hundreds of nails constantly. The siding master system does not cause fatigue like hammering thus the installer has more energy to work faster.
6. This product has been installed hundreds of times all over the nation and
I have testimonials from many contractors that say they have saved on labor by using this system.
7. A fortune 500 company did a business case analysis for the siding master
and did time test which proved that the system goes up faster.
As far as your question about studs that crown and bow over time.
You have this same problem with nailed siding. The differance with the strip system is that the screws will allow movement in and out. I am not saying that this product solves all the problems with siding, I am just saying that it takes care of many of the problems associated with nailed siding.
As far as installing siding on new construction goes and installing the siding before drywall goes on, all the manufactures warn against doing this and will null and void their warranties if buckling occurs because the drywall was not installed. They suggest that you at least place the drywall up against the wall that it will be installed on to compensate for weight before you hang the siding. This product does not cure cancer but it sure achieves a better looking installation while allowing panels to expand and contract like they are supposed to. It also has been wind load tested to with stand hurricane force winds without even attaching the strips into the studs. I suggest you do attach the strips into the studs because most codes require doing this.
In comparison to the mesh rainscreen product, Siding Master is superior because all the yellow stuff does is create an air gap behind the siding. It does not help with expansion and contraction problems, It does not add to the wind load capacity and it does not eliminate the problems with nailing and alignment. Some of the drawbacks the yellow stuff is that if you over nail you will get wavy looking walls.
As far as the Siding Master system goes it gives the contractor a competitive edge in the home over the nailed siding company. With our reflective insulation, this system qualifies for the new 2009 tax credit. Insulated siding does not. This is a big selling point to the home owner that will get you the deal over the competition every time in the home.
The air gap that the siding master creates also releases condensation that forms behind the siding. When condensation forms behind siding and it heats up it turns into vapor which in turn is then driven into the walls causing moisture problems. The wind driven rain that gets behind all siding is allowed to escape.
There are a ton of benefits that this system offers other than a straighter looking installation. I could go on and on but I believe I have given you installers what you are looking for as far as answers. I will be glad to answer any other questions though. As far as pricing it is competitive with insulated siding and other rain screen products on the market but offers many more benefits than anything out there. There is no need to use fan fold anymore so you eliminate this cost. Once the strips are up and as long as you have a supervisor you can hire anybody to install the siding. This is where a company can really be competitive. It is a very powerful selling tool in the home unlike any other siding system on the market today. No it is not for every contractor just the ones that want to sell more siding and make more money and offer more benefits to the home owner.
PS. I am really not a
Pr**** as the Siding pro stated in his earlier post that he edited out. I can take constructive criticism as well.
Thanks Advanced energy for the comment about me taking the risk in life. Most people never do. I am glad that I did because the product is starting to take off.
By the way, I have been approved from Mastic/ Alcoa over 5 years ago, just like they approve nailed or stapled siding.
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