Csavage1

Finally a spot for that most posted amount given.


threefiddy
There is some that get 100 per square and there is some that get 1000. per sq.. Really depends on the area,restoration is where the high end work is and there is a ton of trim and time involved.

It is totally different from siding a salt box house with builders grade siding and siding a custom house with high end products. Good Luck

Patrick

SO WHAT??????????? We did the Vinyl Siding Institute class, and I would SHOOT my guys if they did 3/4 of the stuff that was recommended. The house that they side in the video for the class is the most horrendous looking job ive seen.

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Originally Posted by Celtic
Like I said...I'm sure you are very good at what you do ~ whatever that is and where ever it happens.

MJW

LMAO! Oh lord, now I have heard it all.

jumbo

There's just no substitution for hands on experience. A sider & his crew may side 30 - 40 homes a year, a carpenter who's building the entire project may do 10 at best. Though there are definately exceptions,I've always believed you can be a pro at 1 or 2 things, or be run of the mill doing everything. Just my opinion.

strathd

Don't think so ?

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STRAT HD
Disgruntled citizen of North Mexico !!
(Formerly the USA)

MJW

Well, if you can do more than nail 2x6's together, don't degrade yourself by saying you are a framer. It's called being a Carpenter. Not many left out there.

loneframer

I call myself a framer, because that is what I love to do most, although I am better than average at many phases of construction. There is no shame in calling yourself a framer. Show me any trade other than a framer that can put one of these on a foundation.

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strathd

A G.C. that does roofs, siding and windows ? Funny how eveyone calls themselves a GC these days.

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STRAT HD
Disgruntled citizen of North Mexico !!
(Formerly the USA)

MJW

Not just called a GC.....am licensed as one.

Haven't done many big projects though. Everything kinda shut down here when we were really starting to get going on building.

strathd

Woo Hoo. So you started at the end ? You don't have a clue dude...........

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STRAT HD
Disgruntled citizen of North Mexico !!
(Formerly the USA)

MJW

By the look of your attitude, I'm sure I was busting my hump way before you were. It's a family business, and no I didn't start with a silver spoon in my mouth.

katoman

I'm a new guy to this site, but not new to the industry. I thought this site was about we tradesmen helping each other by trading opinions on things, and sharing our experiences, as everyone's path has been different. Some of the posts are quite antagonistic in nature, as if the other guy is your enemy, rather than your friend. Might I suggest we lighten up a bit, focus on sharing our experiences and knowledge for the good of us all and our trade? Personally, I have apprenticed three carpenters, and always my hope was they would excell at the trade and surpase their teacher. This can apply to all - carpenters, siders, painters etc. etc. It is the attitude that makes the difference. Hoping to hear more positive postings coming up. Comments?

loneframer

So.............. Let me get this straight. You are implying that a framer is not a carpenter? Please tell me that IS what your saying.

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strathd

Liars are licensed too............Oh, man I'm sorry I meant to say Lawyers.
Maybe you can get a big window project. Like a picture window.

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Disgruntled citizen of North Mexico !!
(Formerly the USA)

MJW

I agree. We shouldn't be judging each other. Hey, at least you guys do your own work. I really like hearing that more than anything. I get tired of the paper contractors who call themselves GC's.

Yes, a framer is different from a Carpenter. When my Grandfather and Father were Carpenters, they built the entire house. From framing to siding to roofing to putting in the windows. Now there are more specialized trades. That's when the "framer" trade came in.

To be honest, when flaming back and forth for no reason.....who really cares what someone thinks on the internet.

loneframer

Katoman, I'd say this is the most antagonizing statement in this thread. I will also say that framing is the basis upon which most every other trade must build. MJW, if you think a framer is the bottom of the barrel, you haven't met a real one yet and until you have been one, you'll never be a complete carpenter. You call yourself a GC, but your people skills are going to hold you back from excelling there too. A good framer can build you up, a bad one will drag you down. Apparently you've surrounded yourself with bad ones, to have an attitude like you do towards us.

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Warren

Somebody call for a framer? I smelled blood and came as fast as I could. Please Mr. GC/siding/roofing/whatever post us some pics of your fabulous greatness.

I am proud to be called a framer because I do it well.

Patrick

WHOA WHOA, why is everyone beating up on MJW, Hes a good guy that does good work. I am a general contractor as well, but we focus on siding windows and roofs.

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Originally Posted by Celtic
Like I said...I'm sure you are very good at what you do ~ whatever that is and where ever it happens.

katoman

ok, now I feel old. MJW is right when he says in the old days the carpenter did it all. They were generaly small, simple buildings back then. Today however things are a lot different, and I agree with Loneframer on the point that framing has become a trade onto itself due to the complexities of the structures being built today. Same applies to trimwork, kitchen cabinets, staircases, etc.

MJW

It has all become complex nowadays.

Thanks Patrick. I'm not sure why people are pounding their chests here tonight.