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Old 08-14-2008, 11:26 PM   #1
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Is SEAMLESS VINYL Siding Nonsense?


i see alot of companies(high pressure sales) usinf "seamless vinyl). i use 20 foot length but nothing bigger. does'nt longer siding reduce rigidity? if it was such a good idea everyone would offer it. anyone know any other negatives on seamless?
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:49 AM   #2
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naptco has a 25'

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ABC has Thunder Bay 25` D-4.5 . Napco a@ 25`. Mitten @ 40`.

We trid Woverine D 4.5 40` in the early 90`s but logistics are a problem.
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We trid Woverine D 4.5 40` in the early 90`s but logistics are a problem.
LOL Is ABC seamless still out and about around the country with seamless steel?
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LOL Is ABC seamless still out and about around the country with seamless steel?
I saw a guy at a builder's show with a machine that rolled out continuous aluminum siding with a machine much like a seamless gutter machine. It rolled a fake wood texture into it and all. Kinda reminded me of a 1960's finished product.
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LOL Is ABC seamless still out and about around the country with seamless steel?

Yes, they are still around and advertise in direct mail very often.

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i have heard that siding that is too long loses rigidity and even creates a "wavey" look over time. are most SEAMLESS siding that are 40 feet actually vinyl or alluminum?
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i have heard that siding that is too long loses rigidity and even creates a "wavey" look over time. are most SEAMLESS siding that are 40 feet actually vinyl or alluminum?
The wave comes from improper installation. a 12'6" panel is going to move 1/4" to 1/2" now multiply that by 4 and thats aprox the movement that can happen on a 40' panel. So if the installer doesn't take that into account, yea the product is going to look terrible. Seamless aluminum siding is rare however we go to a lot of houses with steel.
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Out here we have temp changes from 60 to 100 degrees by noon that its hard to make normal 12' stuff stay flat. I can't imagine the longer seemless would work. We get alot of wind as well so the few builders who front a house with siding keep the runs short.

Everyone in this area has seen the Base houses out here. Every April the winds blows off entire sides of 2 story homes. Then i get paid to reside what blows off. i really want to thank them idiots who used short common nails 15 years ago.
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The wave comes from improper installation. a 12'6" panel is going to move 1/4" to 1/2" now multiply that by 4 and thats aprox the movement that can happen on a 40' panel. So if the installer doesn't take that into account, yea the product is going to look terrible. Seamless aluminum siding is rare however we go to a lot of houses with steel.
for a 40' panel, are the nailing flanges four times longer? Is there a center nail similar to Discovery panels, which makes the expansion/contraction the same on each side of center?
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With all long lengths of vinyl siding, even 12ft between a corner and a J channel, one nail hole should be double nailed to prevent the panel from shifting to the right or left. The panel will expand from the double nailed slot out when nailed this way.

ABC Supply is a roofing and siding supply company.

ABC Seamless is a franchise company out of Fargo ND. The ABC Seamless machine is about the same as the Knudson. ABC Seamless buys their painted steel coil from Arrowhead Supply. These machines make very nice siding but the siding looks only as good as the installers ability to do the job right. ABC doesn't pay enough to attract good installers.
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I distribute a 40' vinyl. Its an exclusive panel very nice and NO nailing hem.....it is hung with another method.
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easy sider, do you nail so they cant slide either way? is that the way i am understanding your explanation. I thought they had to able to shift to expand. i understand what you are saying about expanding from that point, but does it really work that way?
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most seamless siding is marketed by high pressure sales co's; not that it's not any good. personally,i use all certainteed products and their "monogram" comes in 20 foot lengths which is long enough imo. they also have 16 foot cedar boards which is a great sell.only problem i have with a 40 foot piece of siding is this: take a tape measure and extend it 24 inches and see how rigid it stays. extend it to 6 feet and then see how wobbly it gets. thats how i disuade customers.then again,what supply company wants a bunch of 40 foot pieces of siding taking up space in theor yard! lol.
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easy sider, do you nail so they cant slide either way? is that the way i am understanding your explanation. I thought they had to able to shift to expand. i understand what you are saying about expanding from that point, but does it really work that way?
Yes. horizontal vinyl siding will expand from the limiter nail outward and vertical vinyl siding expands more downward.
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All vinyl is BS but the seamless stuff is serious BS.
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All vinyl is BS but the seamless stuff is serious BS.
Spoken by a true fiber cement guy? Just a guess, i've been in the industry for 21 years and have seen just about everything. But the two points i'd like to respond too.
1: Seamless vinyl is horrible. For all the above noted expansion issues and if you're an installer could you imagine trying to work with 60' long pieces of vinyl siding? And the ordering is difficult. The only way it can be done is by roll-off which will be very time consuming and expensive.
I typically get this type of question from folks that dont want to see the seams............all siding has seams, well except of this seamless option, but the concession you'll be making isnt worth it. A good installer can do wonders with seams and I wouldnt worry. One basic rule is to lap the siding away from any of the main walk ways & if there's a possiblity of gaps it's all in how you shime the piece behind the one that will overlap. Making it a nice tight seem.
My favorite siding is CraneBoard by Crane Siding. I've used this for close to 20 years and love it. It lays flat, levels out imperfections and insulates very well. Now Crane calls this stuff "seam-less" siding and to a blind man maybe that unfair but it's due to its larger profile.
Anyway, i'm starting to ramble and forget what my second point was!
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I have seen some real hack jobs by abc seamless. Haven't seen even a decent job yet.

Just had some crane siding delivered. It was for a color match to another building. It came out and it was the wrong color that was ordered. Too bad...I wanted to try it out. Not sure what it was, but it was D 4.5 DL. Revere makes a better nailing hemm though. That is all the experience I have had with crane so far.

I have used Thunder Bay and Revere in the long stuff. You just have to watch your nailing and be at least a half assed sider to put it on decent. That is hard to find these days. Most, and I mean Most, like 95% of people want it done now and want it done cheap! Really getting tired of it actually. That is what the storm chasers do to people though.
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I have seen some real hack jobs by abc seamless. Haven't seen even a decent job yet.

Just had some crane siding delivered. It was for a color match to another building. It came out and it was the wrong color that was ordered. Too bad...I wanted to try it out. Not sure what it was, but it was D 4.5 DL. Revere makes a better nailing hemm though. That is all the experience I have had with crane so far.

I have used Thunder Bay and Revere in the long stuff. You just have to watch your nailing and be at least a half assed sider to put it on decent. That is hard to find these days. Most, and I mean Most, like 95% of people want it done now and want it done cheap! Really getting tired of it actually. That is what the storm chasers do to people though.
Storm Chasers SUCK! this could be in and of itself a thread.
But with Crane they have good stuff and bad stuff. Kinda, quality if you're staying and again if you're moving. The only one problem I had with Crane was they stamp each panel just below the nailing fin, who make it and when, this one order I placed out of 32 squares 4 had this stamp somehow on the siding itself. Strange. But when I sell Crane it's always, 90% of the time, CraneBaord. Looks great! The triple 6" looks the best to me anyway. They do have a dbl 7" but it looks kinda wide. (also the local wholesaler stocks the t-6 and d-7 is special order. that has a bit to do with my preference too.)
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i am selling alot of certainteeds "cedar boards". their double 6 with a foam backing. great selling point and it looks good. they have a nice 16 footer.

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