Pella Impervia vs Harvey Majesty lines, any thoughts? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Tallguy1 · 02-13-2009, 01:01 PM

Anyone work with either of these replacement lines and got any wisdom to share? Pricing em out for a customer, Pellas are fiberglass, $400 per and the Harveys are wood/alum, $310 per. Customer wants low maintence so Im thinkning the few extra bucks for the Pellas is the way to go. Thanks all,

B

Patrick · 02-13-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tallguy1

Anyone work with either of these replacement lines and got any wisdom to share? Pricing em out for a customer, Pellas are fiberglass, $400 per and the Harveys are wood/alum, $310 per. Customer wants low maintence so Im thinkning the few extra bucks for the Pellas is the way to go. Thanks all,

B

Both will last and perform just as well, the Harvey just isnt as pretty. an Eagle however would be a much better choice than both of those.

Rich · 02-15-2009, 09:16 AM

Two very different windows... The Impervia is a block frame and has the same profile as your typical vinyl replacement window. A much stronger window compared to vinyl. Can be painted if they get tired of the color.

The Majesty has a more traditional look with a sill and wood interior. This is a great option for the customer who has natural wood work or prefers the look of wood on the interior.

Both are good windows. I have used them both.

BlackHatch · 02-15-2009, 10:46 PM

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Two very different windows... The Impervia is a block frame and has the same profile as your typical vinyl replacement window. A much stronger window compared to vinyl. Can be painted if they get tired of the color.

The Majesty has a more traditional look with a sill and wood interior. This is a great option for the customer who has natural wood work or prefers the look of wood on the interior.

Both are good windows. I have used them both.

Much stronger is overstating it a bit and altogether inaccurate depending on the comparison. At a DP of 50, there are a ton of vinyl windows out there that are far beyond that strength.

Painted and all the rest, certainly true.

Not trying to pick and argument, however, that is a commonly quoted detractor in the vinyl to fiberglass comparison and it simply isn't true as it is a manipulation of the facts.

DavidC · 02-15-2009, 11:07 PM

What facts are you refering to? Not trying to pick an argument either, just looking for clarification.

Common sense would tell me that FG is more stable than vinyl, less susceptible to tempature changes. I've seen vinyl windows that are quite stout, some that wouldn't hold up to a light breeze.

Good Luck
Dave

BlackHatch · 02-15-2009, 11:27 PM

The nature and flexibility of vinyl (both structurally and in working with it) allow it to be used in variable thicknesses and hence variable quality windows. Not to make the association that the thicker the vinyl extrusion, the better the window, but we are all familiar with the el cheapo thin ones that wind up having to be replaced in 5 years of less.

Fiberglass is more friendly to temperature extremes (primarily the top end) but the "instability" or expansion of vinyl has also been grossly overstated. A 6 ft length of a vinyl extrusion manufactured at 60 degrees will expand or contract the thickness of a nickel between 110 and 10 degrees. That is almost nothing and the glass systems are all designed to flex independently of the frame anyway.

In regards to strength, there are a myriad of manufacturers producing vinyl windows with DP ratings at 65 and better without any exotic strengthening measures (i.e. full steel inner frames or similar).

The great "strength" that the fiberglass guys talk about (they usually say that it's 9 times stronger than vinyl) is actually its tensile strength. Tensile strength is a measure of how much force it would take to deform a lineal if you grabbed it at each end and tried to pull it apart. While it is true that fiberglass lineals have very high tensile strength, a window lineal is never put under any kind of stress where tensile strength is even a factor.

advanced_energy · 02-16-2009, 12:52 AM

that is very true. a high quality uPVC lineal that is between 72 and 80 gauge thick will have plenty of strength. throw in some kevlar or fiberglass in the meeting rail and you have a DP rating of .65. its not just the thickness of the vinyl,its the quality as well. all vinyl has various impact resistors,UV protectors, resins ect.. they also come in various qualities as well just like anything else.

TRC · 02-21-2009, 07:07 PM

Just installed Majesty's with pre-primed interiors and they were very disappointing! I'm only talking about the interior. Very rough, missing primer in spots, nicks and splinters everywhere. I'm surprised the ho didn't refuse them. Also, the picture window glass was installed improperly and was out of square by a half-inch. This is a company I have been pleased with in the past i have to say. Have their classic vinyls in my own house and love them.

enforcer · 02-21-2009, 10:50 PM

the Harvey classic is a good bang for the buck but nothing special. i use them from time to time. i like their patio doors. Harvey needs to update their damn spacer. c'mon, warm edge intercept by PPG!!!! thats old technology.

TRC · 02-22-2009, 10:19 AM

Yes, I also like their vinyl patio sliders. Better than most of the competitors.

Patrick · 02-22-2009, 08:31 PM

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Yes, I also like their vinyl patio sliders. Better than most of the competitors.

Thats what I thought until I started selling Paradigm windows and sliders.

TRC · 02-24-2009, 11:19 AM

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Thats what I thought until I started selling Paradigm windows and sliders.

what are you located?