help on some details - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

tomstruble · 01-19-2009, 02:39 PM

A Potential customer called me today wants me to add more elaborate trim to this house that they just recently had an add level put on.
Its cedar impressions anybody have any suggestions
check out the bay unit that roof don't look right any thought to help add a little pizzazz would be helpful

tom m · 01-19-2009, 03:45 PM

The eaves look fine...maybe add a frieze board along all the eaves, maybe add some beefy window treatment. That bay window roof is undersized and again could be built bigger. Your challenge is the dam cedar impressions no matter what you do its going to be a delicate task. Maybe a water table roof and soffit seperating the 2 floors could add some character.

Jake Stevens · 01-20-2009, 07:49 AM

I would try to add some color with maybe half rounds in the gables, friezeboard at the eve's and up the gables, and a rain shed to break up the two levels. I would also take out the bay window and re-install it, setting it out flush with the siding. Make sure that you seal it well.
Window treatment would help.

maceycon · 01-20-2009, 08:11 AM

gotta love the flashing on the bay window.

enforcer · 01-20-2009, 08:18 AM

you could re flash the bay. why people get bay windows on the sides of their homes are a mystery.
as for the eaves,add a frieze or some asek trim. it seems the siding is white? too bad. as i said,add some frieze along the top portion of the house . if it were i,i would have used asek corners and trimmed the top and bottom with azek.

Home Serve · 01-20-2009, 08:28 AM

I would consider shutters also and other window treatements. That bay is gonna be hard to make look right when it is wrong. Azek trim a good idea also.

Jer · 01-20-2009, 12:01 PM

I would consider aluminum crown in the gables and maybe dentil trim frieze at the hips.
I think the bay roof sticks out like a sore thumb and would look better re-shingled in a lighter color so it blends into the body of the house. And of course trim that flashing back to the siding if possible.

A W Smith · 01-20-2009, 12:38 PM

Couple if issues,

See that valley that ends in a tiny gutter scupper?
should really be a pair of cornice returns there, Go back about 16 inched to 2 feet in either direction. return cornice into wall and wrap with gutter,

Plane old fly rafter soffits

You can dress up the intersection of the soffit and siding with fypon brick moulding or a snap cove, but you would have to fasten through the siding to do that. I cant see if the rake capping has a step in it but if it does you can take it off and add fypon rake trim or bed moulding

the bay
well the bay was installed wrong to begin with. yes i know its masonry and they needed the seat and head board to reach the interior wall finish but they could have made their own seat board and jamb extensions and pushed the bay out to the exterior wall. where it belongs. I see this alot on masonry construction, wrong wrong Wrong, I don't know WTF they were thinking suggesting a bay in an inside corner location anyway to begin with. it certainly didn't help the view much? did it?

an eight or ten inch frieze at the soffit would help also. this would also wrap around the corners for your cornice return as i suggested above.

tomstruble · 01-21-2009, 01:47 AM

thanks everybody great ideas.Pretty messed up huh? all that money in matiereal and it gets installed like that...what a waste.
there are some windows where shutters wont fit.And yes Al that detail below the valey is an eysore.
This job was dont less then a year ago 7 or 8 guys did it off ladders in about 3 days.Ofcourse now the homeowners dont have much money

i was thinking about pre fabing window casing with a projecting sill 4'' rails and a rams head crown glue and pocket screw it together and screwing it over the siding with stainless screws might have to cut the face of the j off not the best way but it should be ok as long as the rest of the j is intact.

the homeowner installed the bay,his wife hates it

enforcer · 01-21-2009, 07:59 AM

i blame the home oweners. they obviously went with cheap labor and got what they paid for. now they need you to fox it.

tom m · 01-21-2009, 10:03 AM

Some people just have no eye either. Im sure it wasnt too cheap putting all those shakes up maybe that was there finacial limit. The architect who did the addition should have designed the valley eave better and considered a water table.

enforcer · 01-21-2009, 02:59 PM

the bay looks ridiculous. they probably hired siders with no imagination. i'm sure they did a good job but where i separate myself is by giving idea's on trim and stuff like that. i am not nearly as seasoned as some of the guys here but you know how some siders operate..its all about using the cheapest product and tons of j-channel.

Mike(VA) · 01-21-2009, 04:07 PM

If you can't find it here, it can't be done. Well, maybe.

http://www.fypon.com/

You can come up with all the ideas in the world but you need to know what your clients want. Build from there.

A W Smith · 01-21-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike(VA)

If you can't find it here, it can't be done. Well, maybe.

http://www.fypon.com/

You can come up with all the ideas in the world but you need to know what your clients want. Build from there.

DAMN that site is slow, I can run down the street to my supplier and pick up a cataloger faster then their damn moulding pages load in the pop up windows.

tomstruble · 01-22-2009, 12:09 AM

well Mike sometimes homeowners dont know what they want and im not a big fan of that molded 1 pc fypon stuff.there are some smart people on here with a good eye for nice details and its worth it for me to seek out their opinions

Mike(VA) · 01-22-2009, 06:18 AM

I know its hard for some people to come up with ideas which is why they came to you, I guess. I'd be careful, though. Looks like there's potential for water intrusion around the top of the bay. That flashing doesn't look like it was installed properly, wasn't caulked, and of course is ugly. Same potential for water intrusion just about anywhere if you don't know the builder's work. You touch it, they call you when it leaks. Also, you come up with some neat ideas and now they can have Juan

implement them cheaper. You didn't say if you know the customer or the original builder.

enforcer · 01-22-2009, 08:47 AM

I agree with that 110% !!! they may be using you for idea's and then have Juan do it for peanuts. personally i hate these kinds of jobs. it never actually works out from a financial stand point. but i do not know the whole situation.

maceycon · 01-22-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by A W Smith

DAMN that site is slow, I can run down the street to my supplier and pick up a cataloger faster then their damn moulding pages load in the pop up windows.

I have 1 here I could mail it to ya.

72chevy4x4 · 01-22-2009, 09:03 PM

the bay looks odd-not set out far enough from the wall.

reframing the bay window's roof giving a 8-10" overhand and using a standing seam metal roof (don't think Cu would look good) to give it some depth. The color choice for siding is a little disappointing :-(

A W Smith · 01-22-2009, 11:15 PM

that bay needs to be removed and re-installed properly, Going through the effort to put a metal roof on it now would be a waste of time, money, and material.