help with pricing for siding, facsia & capping - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

smartyj · 02-19-2009, 07:52 PM

I have a job where I will be removving 6 square of vinyl siding, installing 6 square of vinyl siding, capping a two car garage and removing and hanging 78 linear ft. of fascia

**loneframer** · 02-19-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyj

I have a job where I will be removving 6 square of vinyl siding, installing 6 square of vinyl siding, capping a two car garage and removing and hanging 78 linear ft. of fascia

How long will it take you?

How much will material cost?

What is your daily rate?

Will you have to rent tools?

What are your expenses?

HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE?

What is your profit margin?

Are you dumping legally?

What are the tipping fees?

ScipioAfricanus · 02-19-2009, 08:14 PM

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Al Taper · 02-19-2009, 08:16 PM

There has been a few a these posts a week, Whats going on?????????

**loneframer** · 02-19-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Taper

There has been a few a these posts a week, Whats going on?????????

Sho 'nuff ain't no labor shortage yo.

smartyj · 02-19-2009, 08:29 PM

I was just wanting to get a feel what people are charging per square to remove/install, facsia a feel per linear ft. same with capping.

**loneframer** · 02-19-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyj

I was just wanting to get a feel what people are charging per square to remove/install, facsia a feel per linear ft. same with capping.

Lets do like auto mechanics, who's gonna write the book. Oh crap I forgot they have 'em at Home Repo

SLSTech · 02-19-2009, 08:40 PM

Do to inflation the new going rate is treefiddyseven

rojigga · 02-19-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by loneframer

How long will it take you?
How much will material cost?
What is your daily rate?
Will you have to rent tools?
What are your expenses?
HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE?
What is your profit margin?
Are you dumping legally?
What are the tipping fees?

To be competitive you have to be good. To say it will take 'x' amount of time so I need 'x' amount of dollars is crap. If you're good at it you can make money and the 'how long will it take?' will become a factor. If you're a framer looking at a side job then this cannot work with others who do it FOR A LIVING. You cannot ask yourself how long it will take because you do not do it for a living, therefor you will make less per hour because THIS IS NOT YOUR TRADE.

Anytime you do something that is outside of your comfort zone don't feel bad about making less per hour.

This economic pressure has brought about squeezes we've previously never seen. To stay competitive you need to sell your product, and sell it well. Prices are dropping, and for the many in my shoes, we're skilled but have no one to fend for us. Continue with that good product; jobs will come, and at a decent price.

This is why unions are powerful, albeit the by product is complacency. I can't understand when a man with no skill and no other source of independence can make as much or more than me when someone is fully independent of himself and busts ass to make a good living.

I don't need a union yet. God help me if i do.

jcalvin · 02-19-2009, 09:27 PM

i think i have figured out what has happened to the economy. self proclaimed "pros" have taken over the construction industry by storm. they have underbid us by not buying insurance and wc. they do half of the job and collect all their money or it is just done wrong all together. the owners have been sucked dry so they can't afford someone that knows how to properly bid and complete a job so they can't hire a pro to fix it. the pros are sitting at home blogging on contractortalk.com instead of making money to pay their insurance and wc. they have been forced to let go of all of their employees and have thus raised the unemployment rate. by the laborers being w/o work they can't pay the mortgage and truck payments they have. the ho that got ripped off are trying to sell their hacked up house and who wants that. .....i'll stop now sorry

smartyj · 02-19-2009, 09:30 PM

dam I thought this was supposed to be a helpful website, if I wanted a bunch of sarcasm, I would have asked advice from my wife!!!!!!!!

bwalley · 02-19-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyj

I have a job where I will be removving 6 square of vinyl siding, installing 6 square of vinyl siding, capping a two car garage and removing and hanging 78 linear ft. of fascia

1 Million Dollars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

ScipioAfricanus · 02-19-2009, 09:57 PM

Look Marty, the bottom line is that you come on to this very helpful web site and ask people who may be your competition how much we will charge for the job that you are trying to get. From what I see you did get some good advice in the form of Loneframer's answer and others. We don't know how much you should charge because we are not YOU.
You have unique requirements for your business that others do not.
Jeez, just figure out what you need to charge to stay in business in your area.
Maybe post first in the introduction section, tell us who you are and what you do.
Be nice.
Would you come onto someone's job site and ask them what they would charge for the same work you do?

Rant over.

Andy.

Patrick · 02-19-2009, 10:09 PM

What I can tell you is for a job that small we would be charging double what our normal rate is. Plus I would have to leave half my guys home so they weren't tripping over each other

**loneframer** · 02-19-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rojigga

To be competitive you have to be good. To say it will take 'x' amount of time so I need 'x' amount of dollars is crap. If you're good at it you can make money and the 'how long will it take?' will become a factor. If you're a framer looking at a side job then this cannot work with others who do it FOR A LIVING. You cannot ask yourself how long it will take because you do not do it for a living, therefor you will make less per hour because THIS IS NOT YOUR TRADE.

Anytime you do something that is outside of your comfort zone don't feel bad about making less per hour.

This economic pressure has brought about squeezes we've previously never seen. To stay competitive you need to sell your product, and sell it well. Prices are dropping, and for the many in my shoes, we're skilled but have no one to fend for us. Continue with that good product; jobs will come, and at a decent price.

This is why unions are powerful, albeit the by product is complacency. I can't understand when a man with no skill and no other source of independence can make as much or more than me when someone is fully independent of himself and busts ass to make a good living.

I don't need a union yet. God help me if i do.

I've done it for a living. All of it. I have put in my time, and learned the trades. I framed the first example, framed and sided the second, and framed and trimmed the third. I know how long it takes because of 25 years of experience. And I always know what I need as a daily rate to survive. By the way I'm also a decent residential roofer.

smartyj · 02-19-2009, 10:42 PM

I have actually already done the work for a friend of a friend I just wanted to give him a fair price. As to going to someone elses jobsite and asking them how much they would charge, NO I would not, but I found this website when I typed in how much would I charge to install what I stated above, so I thought this was a website where people discussed these things but apparently I was mistaken. For those of you who gave helpful advice, I thank You.

**loneframer** · 02-19-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyj

I have actually already done the work for a friend of a friend I just wanted to give him a fair price. As to going to someone elses jobsite and asking them how much they would charge, NO I would not, but I found this website when I typed in how much would I charge to install what I stated above, so I thought this was a website where people discussed these things but apparently I was mistaken. For those of you who gave helpful advice, I thank You.

Oh in that case, about 2500 beans.

rsss396375 · 02-19-2009, 11:49 PM

Every thread with the word "price" in it should automatically be sent to the round file. Just end it now!!!

A better question would be, "How much does it costs to stop asking how much it costs?"

You would probably get a better answer from your wife; mine flat out tells me to pull my head out of my &$% and figure how much the material and labor would be, then add 40%.

jcalvin · 02-20-2009, 08:46 AM

If you have already completed the job, have the man hours it took you, and all the tickets for the material, then what is the problem

? If you can't figure out the price from that, there is absolutely nothing we can do to help you!

jcalvin · 02-20-2009, 08:47 AM

sorry, hit enter twice too fast