siding guy23

Acutually i just folded it up. Then put a wonderbar flat on the nail (under the piece above) and hit it with a hammer as close as i dared to the piece above. Driveing the nail in. Dealing with the nails was the easy part, it was not dammageing the surrounding pieces that was the pain in the a$$.

loucan

Can someone tell me what is the going rate on capping facia. I have a job coming up and I'm not sure on how to calculate it. I did it a long time ago as a favor. it is one of those things that i have not been asked to do in a long time.

A W Smith

tree fiddy favors a L/f

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outlaw

The going rate is fifty cents a foot.
Of course, you can't make any money like that. But its the going rate.

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Sidingmaster

Ring shank will blow out the back of the fiber cement siding. Certainteed and James Hardie do not cover this under their warranty

LetItBeLEED

I think you said (a) the nails weren't pulled out and (b) you were able to easily drive them deeper than they originally were with the flatbar and a hammer strike on the flatbar 1-2 inches from the nail, right? I just tried to finish off a nail in a scrap of 2x4 with that technique - no joy. I agree with the others thinking a lot of those buggers were just in the sheathing and insulation.

Out of curiousity... how do the lines look on the areas you haven't (yet) had to repair? Are they out of whack? Does the HO say the clattering racket is gone on windy days? I'm thinking if there's other areas with crappy original nailing then you'll be doing more repairs at this site later, unless the HO wants to spring for careful face nailing into studs, per manufacturer's specs.

Good luck,
Steve

tomstruble

i emailed certainteed to see if this is a fact,ive heard this before but it doesnt specificly say so in thier install inst.But it does say no Dheads ,no staples and no glue for installation if ring shanks are no good i think they would state that,unless im missing something. We will see, i just email tonite ill let you know

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loneframer

I'm willing to take that chance, the nails are designed for fiber-cement siding and I have yet to see substantial blowout on the backside of the material. This job was nailed on by hand with 6D hot-dipped 7 years ago with more of a blowout problem than the FC gun nails. These pics are about 2 years old. Beachfront with full exposure, blind nailed. Typically, warranty's aren't worth the paper they're printed on, so I do what I am comfortable putting my name on.By the way, it's pretty straight too.

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LetItBeLEED

I did some tests on my sample wall in the shop with some scrap material (Certainteed). With the air pressure low enough to leave the head of my ring shanks raised, I shot some nails and then pulled 'em, and flipped the test boards over. Since I only had ringshanks for my gun, that's all I used in this test, but sure enough I got blowout..... but only when the nail was fired into the board at a moment when that specific spot on the board wasn't tight against the wall. I created blowout in two ways: with good gun placement but sloppy handling of the board, and with sloppy gun placement (nail set too low). In both cases, the back of the board wasn't suppported by the wall when the nail fired. All the nails done with care did not show any blowout.

I wonder:

(A) how smooth shank nails would compare? (I bet there's little difference, but that's just a guess.)

(B) whether there was blowout type damage that I just couldn't see with the naked eye on an unweathered board?

Steve

tomstruble

hey Mr scientist

Good Afternoon Tom-

Both smooth shank and ring shank nails are acceptable as long as they are either stainless steal or double hot dipped galvanized. Thank you for your interest in CertainTeed building products and please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

Sincerely,

Lillian F. Horvitz

Sales Support Group
CertainTeed Corporation
1-800-782-8777

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Subject: Contact Us: Fiber Cement Siding

Thank you for your interest in CertainTeed. The following information has been submitted and will be reviewed:

tom struble
west milford, New Jersey 07480
Email: strublesiding@optonline.net
I am a... Contractor/Remodeler

You are currently using the following CertainTeed products:
Fiber Cement Siding

What is your project? Residential New Construction
When will you begin building your project? 1-3 months
How did you hear about us? Referral: Retailer/Building Professional
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are stainless ringshank nails acceptable for weather boards lap siding

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Sidingmaster

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tomstruble
if you overhang a pc of hardi on a bench and shoot a ring shank thru it you will most likely see blowout on the backside.
But with the panel supported as you normally do siding i dont think it does blow out.imo

when you blind nail its not supported.

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Originally Posted by tomstruble
how do you mean Al?
its supported by the wall

If you install by blind nailing just above the exposure. There is a space between the hardi and the wall. Not much. but there is a slight space. only the top most edge of the hardi touches the wall and the bottom lays against the previous course.

http://www.ilevel.com/literature/t_jamesHardie.pdf
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yes ,a small space caused by the overlap? i see your point


You admit it blows out here but you are still willing to use ring shank

If you read the Certainteed warranty it only says that it will cover manufacture defects . Do you think that if the siding starts coming loose because the nail blows out the back that a manufacture will cover this? That's wishful thinking. Read the installation instructions, they say that with hand nailing that you may have to pre-drill to avoid breaking the corners which they will not cover under the warranty. What makes you think that if the nails blow out the back and that causes failure that the manufacture will cover this?

neolitic

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woodworkbykirk

every 10" ???????? how so is there no rain screen installed behind it.

we spike our vertical strapping to the studs then shoot to the strapping with stainless steel ring shanks.

on gable ends at the bottom of the slash cut we dab some flex behind it then pin it with stainless steel 15 gauge set flush

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tomstruble

i never said i used ring shanksthe point is certainteed allows it,you said they didnt possibly your wrong about alot of things,sidingmaster
now im done with you have a nice day

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LetItBeLEED

This might just be me, but it seems like someone with a great invention, who wants folks to switch to a new method, could find some better way to advocate their product.