Hardi waste will now be more!!!! - Page 2 - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

WNYcarpenter · 09-29-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Javelin350

today at work I ran into this problem with the knew hardie. We're using 8.25 material and when i got to my rip piece it ended up to be 7 3/8 so my cutter hands me a piece riped but u could still see the nailline with JH writing on it. would you but up a 3/8 rip heck no. See I bet they didn't think of that when desiging this stuff. So I had to cheat the reveal a little bit and use a little bigger bead of culk to cover the nail line. Also I have ran into alot of factroy seam that are not straight. Special in the 6inch xld.

Thanks a bunch for the heads up!!!

How wide is the nail line?

Javelin350 · 09-30-2009, 07:58 PM

1 inch down across the top of the pieace

dvon104 · 10-01-2009, 07:20 PM

You have sparked my curiosity ...I am a Hardie, Nichia and Certainteed Dealer... sell about 5 trucks of Hardie a month and NO ONE from Hardie has metioned any of this to me...I do no that its labled on the back but I will be on my yard at 6 am and take a look ....thanks for the heads up...

I agree with previous poster ..Nichia is the way to go ...It has a much more defined grain and is about $2 a stick cheaper...the only complaint I have had about Nichia is it "snaps" under stress easier than Hardie and their 3/4" trim boards are only 10' vs. Hardie 12'

My yard will most likely be weaning the Hardie out of inventory and selling more Nichia....Hardie Company has just kinda of gotten a big head...

As for as LP Smartside ...in my opinion its an inferior product if your going to use something that will require maint. might as well use cypress or cedar of whatever species your region dictates...real wood will last longer than LP Smartside ..and yes LP has a "warranty" let me know how that works out for you....every warranty claim I have ever been on with LP within 3 minutes I get..."its an installation issue" .."You need to have your contractor replace it"...BUT like I said ..only my opinion

nEighter · 10-01-2009, 08:18 PM

dvon.. what do you think about MiraTec?

The Sprayman · 10-01-2009, 08:44 PM

I did a 5400 sq.ft. two story 2 yrs ago and the Hardi rep pushed the prepainted stuff, that also had colored caulk to match. Well after caulking joints and the few exposed nail heads the caulk didnt match because of its sheen and the prepaint was as thin as their primer and smudged and stained like crazy, either from saw plate which was covered with tyvek tape or sweaty hands. Some of it cleaned with soap and water, the rest had to be sprayed with very smallcans of paint from Hardi and it flashed. HO wouldn't buy it and after going round and round with rep. Hardi agreed to pay for half of painting whole house. Fascia and window and door wraps were white but still a problem. Has anyone had this problem? I did this in Melbourne, Fl. for a G.C.'s personnel house. Don't know if they gave in cause this builder only does million dollar homes on the ocean or on the river. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with the new stuff, with all the angle cuts on the 2 story.

dvon104 · 10-02-2009, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nEighter

dvon.. what do you think about MiraTec?

I sell alot of it ....no complaints ...If It was MY home I would prefer the cement based siding and trim. NO ROT EVER..but thats my preference ..it is a good product but it must be installed properly...mitre your edges and CAULK IT !!

The biggest problem I have ever seen with Miratec is an installation issue...air pressure to high on gun ,blows nail head completely through skin on face, crappy job at caulking and water infiltration into the core and the in a few months or so ...water damage and I get a call "this stuff is defective". 50 year warranty..but must be installed properly... that is the key phrase on any warranty

most of my customers will use Hardie with Miratec fascia,corners and etc...

Now what seems to a "new" trend is ...I am selling alot of fiber cement lap siding..be it whatever brand with a #1 syp KDAT treated board for trim for example 2x6 and 2x4 on corners and windows and doors...doors and windows 2x6 head with 2x4 legs and sill and then a ripped down and beveled 2x4 for drip across the header ...

It makes for an excellent reveal ...however I would only use KDAT #1 and PRIME all edges before installation ...it must be kept DRY before you prime ...if it is not and you paint it 2 weeks after installed...very likely you will have finish issues down the road.

But Miratec is a good product ...

Buy from your local yard...Big Box is bad

tccoggs · 10-02-2009, 09:58 AM

I will second the miratec.

Installed properly, it will last a long time. The price is reasonable compared to PVC, it holds paint really well, minimal movement, etc. After using alot of PVC and getting tired of dealing with the thermal expansion issues I tried the Miratec and have been very happy.

I don't see why anyone would bother with FJ pine anymore.

nEighter · 10-02-2009, 05:07 PM

Javelin350 · 10-02-2009, 05:58 PM

where useing tightbond color match caulk and it matches really good. Used to use quad but we switched to this stuff. Cleans off your fingers really nice too.

WNYcarpenter · 10-02-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nEighter

I actuall think the nail line might have it's benefits, it doesn't look too intrusive...I am still a little concerned about the beveled edge though.

Thanks for the pic!

nEighter · 10-02-2009, 10:25 PM

yeah that is a special bead board profile.. so it may be a lil different. I will try to get a side shot, it was a damaged piece from the yard, they just gave it to me when I was looking for a match on siding a job I didnt land.

dvon104 · 10-03-2009, 08:56 AM

I did not see that stamp on any of my material in the yard..my Hardie rep told me its only going to be on the beaded product evidently due to issues that another brand is having and homeowners have been calling Hardie....

Hardie seems to be like Band-Aid brand bandages...no ones says get me a bandage they say get me a "Band-Aid"...Consumers and I know some contractors that do it say.....

"I want Hardie board"...I always try to ask "do you want the Hardie brand or any fiber cement siding"..., because I would hate to quote you Nichia, ship you Nichia and get it half way installed and the Architect or homeowner will say .."Its supposed to be Hardie and I told you Hardie, so rip that stuff down and give me what I spec'd and at your (lumberyard) expense"...
This happened to me one time and will only happen one time cost my company over 5000.00 and I got a serious AZZ chewing...but I was to blame there should be no mis-communication, I am responsible for that...

as for what brand is having the trouble my rep would not say..

Ranzan · 10-03-2009, 09:06 AM

Hardie recommends no caulking in the field with the colorplus product..... you should use a slip flashing with it. that is all we have used for years.

Javelin350 · 10-03-2009, 09:29 AM

no caulk at all ? We do not caulk on seams or butt joints we back flash with tar paper. I wish we didn't caulk that would be so much easy and a cleaner look

Ranzan · 10-03-2009, 11:37 AM

sorry..what I meant was nothing in the wall area.. all trim contact is still caulked with color match caulking. we use painted aluminium slip sheets for our joints

crduschik · 10-10-2009, 03:37 PM

I noticed the new line and hardie tag on the top edge also. The waste will be insane now, especially in the gables. I also think the new hz5 siding is no good. It is too fragile now on the lower edge. Even if you install it carefully it will still break later and leave unsightly raw unprimed hardie open to the elements.

Random Lengths · 10-16-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

Yes it has come in as H5 here...... we will see .......

As far as fiber cement siding Hardie is still the most stable option out there as far as I`m concerned..... I just used the the new and improved Certainteed...... what a crock... the stuff is still garbage.

Certainteed is better priced, has a nicer looking grain, LEED approved, 2 year Sure Start Warranty ( 100% replacement Labor and Materials). I have had no trouble, other than shrinkage from time to time.

Please explain why you think its garbage?

Ranzan · 10-16-2009, 06:32 PM

Random..

The product still shrinks is still brittle...not as much as before but still brittle compared to Hardie

having up to a 1/2 inch gap in the field is not uncommon with this product that is not exceptable as far as I`m concerned