Hardi waste will now be more!!!! - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Ranzan · 05-21-2009, 08:10 AM

I was on the phone with our head Rep yesterday
As of June 1st hardi will now be stamping james hardi onto one of the leading edge on the face of the boards.......... whoever came up with this idea is a....insert politically incorrect words here....

Told the Rep my concerns for waste factor and issues... he agrees but like he said you can`t tell a billion dollar company how to do it....

So guys call you Reps and complain because your cost`s just went up and your going to be eating at least some of it

CAE1 · 05-21-2009, 03:29 PM

I find it funny that in a down market with oil prices dropping, that this move to raise the price of JH is a good move. I have been a Preferred Installer for JH for 4 years and they never ceases to amaze me on how brazen they are! Take a look into Nichiha Lap siding, it is primed only now but soon they will have a prestained outlet. The product has flyash and earns LEED points with the new green wave. It has a deeper grain and the same installation practices. Nichiha then also has many other complimentary products to go along with their siding.

Jerry H.
Construction Ahead, Inc.

outlaw · 05-22-2009, 03:11 PM

Hardi thinks that they can do as they please. Well I don't have to play their games. I have been switching many of my customers over to LP Smartside. I know I am just small potatoes but if they piss enough small guys off, they will feel it.

rojigga · 05-22-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by outlaw

Hardi thinks that they can do as they please. Well I don't have to play their games. I have been switching many of my customers over to LP Smartside. I know I am just small potatoes but if they piss enough small guys off, they will feel it.

Been using that for years... Mainly the trim, the siding I've heard has some troubles. I nhave only done a few jobs with it. What's your opinion of it?

BEI · 05-27-2009, 02:09 PM

We heard about this a few months back, the stamping issue. Apparently JH has been called out to many jobs with claims that their material is failing only to find out that it was not their product. You will not need to trim the panels, it's just a way for them to easily identify their product and avoid unnecessary travel for their reps. We will continue to use JH and have no complaints.

Javelin350 · 09-26-2009, 07:24 PM

Its called HZ5 and it's stupid i think. You can't use ur drops from the starter piece u cut. yea lots of waste. also the belveled edge on the stuff can cut ya if rub ur hand on it.

**ChrWright** · 09-26-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rojigga

Been using that for years... Mainly the trim, the siding I've heard has some troubles. I have only done a few jobs with it. What's your opinion of it?

The SmartTrim is much improved over what it was a few years ago. I've yet to use the SmartSide.

nEighter · 09-26-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

I was on the phone with our head Rep yesterday
As of June 1st hardi will now be stamping james hardi onto one of the leading edge on the face of the boards.......... whoever came up with this idea is a....insert politically incorrect words here....

Told the Rep my concerns for waste factor and issues... he agrees but like he said you can`t tell a billion dollar company how to do it....

So guys call you Reps and complain because your cost`s just went up and your going to be eating at least some of it

at least on the lap it is printed into the top that is covered (overlapped) anyway.. will try to get a pic tomorrow

tccoggs · 09-27-2009, 12:01 PM

I just got my first shipment of this stuff and all I can say is WTF

This has got to be the worst idea since crystal pepsi. I will no longer be using Hardie for fiber cement, so I guess its time to check out the competition.

The suppliers have to be hating this stuff as well, it was pretty common to see an occasional ding on one edge, no big deal, flip the board over and cover it with the reveal. Well now, if that ding from the forklift or shipping is on the bottom edge, I'll be calling the supply house to replace them.

Ranzan · 09-27-2009, 02:24 PM

Yes it has come in as H5 here...... we will see .......

As far as fiber cement siding Hardie is still the most stable option out there as far as I`m concerned..... I just used the the new and improved Certainteed...... what a crock... the stuff is still garbage.

WNYcarpenter · 09-27-2009, 04:01 PM

I just heard about the new beveled edge a month or so ago...The product is brittle enough as it is...what is the purpose of the bevel? If they're gonna bevel anything why don't they bevel the whole damn thing like real bevel siding?

Also, this is the first I've heard of the logo...does anyone have a pic. As far as identifying their product, I guess it makes sense, but my company isn't gonna have the logo all over our homes.

I suppose I don't have a real opinion yet since I haven't dealt with some of these changes.

tomstruble · 09-27-2009, 04:16 PM

there is the hardie name and a nail placement line
on what i guess is now the top edge
the beveled edge is delicate
more waste for sure

Javelin350 · 09-27-2009, 06:34 PM

they say its for water run off but u should not have water behind the siding to run off?

WNYcarpenter · 09-27-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Javelin350

they say its for water run off but u should not have water behind the siding to run off?

Thanks, I think I understand the concept, but IMO cement planks are an ass ache compared to wood siding as it is....now they just made the process more detail oriented.

I'd love to see some pics....who knows maybe I'll become a fan!!??

tccoggs · 09-28-2009, 01:13 AM

I'll bet the bevel edge has more to do with shipping than anything else. With the bevel edges when they stack a pallet of siding, the bevels would lock the opposing stacks together and keep the stacks from moving agaist each other and prevent edge damage in transport.

nEighter · 09-28-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by WNYcarpenter

Thanks, I think I understand the concept, but IMO cement planks are an ass ache compared to wood siding as it is....now they just made the process more detail oriented.

I'd love to see some pics....who knows maybe I'll become a fan!!??

batteries in camera are bad.. will get some tomorrow. Bump this thread if I have not posted a pic.

slowforthecones · 09-28-2009, 03:43 AM

JH products suck, this just adds another nail to the coffin for me spec'd them on my projects.

jrschultz · 09-28-2009, 02:47 PM

I got my first taste of this stuff on a 49 sq job we're doing. I think the JH product is nice but the lettering and nail line suck. I always prided myself on having very little waste. I'm already noticing more waste and we're only a week into the project. Oh well, that's life.

Javelin350 · 09-28-2009, 08:34 PM

today at work I ran into this problem with the knew hardie. We're using 8.25 material and when i got to my rip piece it ended up to be 7 3/8 so my cutter hands me a piece riped but u could still see the nailline with JH writing on it. would you but up a 3/8 rip heck no. See I bet they didn't think of that when desiging this stuff. So I had to cheat the reveal a little bit and use a little bigger bead of culk to cover the nail line. Also I have ran into alot of factroy seam that are not straight. Special in the 6inch xld.

woodworkbykirk · 09-29-2009, 08:17 PM

in regards to the certainteed issues, on another site's board someone posted a thread that they are having issues with it. i asked if they installed a rain screen. their response , manufacturer only requires tyvek over structural sheathing... sounds like cause of issues if not lawsuit