Hanging Certainteed Cement Siding

Ranzan

Certainteed with the flyash........ don`t care for it way to brittle of a product.

As far as shrinkage goes I have seen certainteed shrink 3/4 at the joints.not my cup of tea I won`t install it anymore. Reps are a joke only one close to me is out of Wash State. gotta love great customer service.

The problem of caulking is it can only have contact with 2 sides.. ie both butt ends of siding.. if it has 3 contact points ..ie both butt ends and flashing,paper,wood ect it will then seperate at the joint.
No matter what cement siding you use it will expand and contract no matter what anyone says. We flash all joints no matter if it is pre finished or primed

strehlow const.

Easy--I'm a builder/developer with a project at least as big as yours and am having problems with Certainteed cement fiber siding installed between 2002-03. The same thing--huge shrinkage, paint adhesion, cupping, nails pulling through, etc. etc. I am going to have to re-do project at a cost of about $200,000.00 (I've not had any problems with Hardi-plank.) But I'm interested one how you are resolving the issue. Legal?? Thanks, Craig

strehlow const.

Installer--how is the claim regarding Centex Homes and Certainteed (fiber/cement siding) going?? I'm having the same kind of problems on a large project. Thanks Craig

Tom Struble

certainteed allows smooth or ringshanks im thinking that bolth types of nail do that

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strehlow const.

How are things going with you, Certaineed and Centex?

CScalf

It's vinyl dumbass

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LetItBeLEED

This is just a guess, but perhaps Certainteed bit the bullet and changed their formula only after being sued a time or three and paying out fairly large claims. If so, it would be really helpful to get your hands on the court file(s), since civil court files are public records and often contain all the "discovery" materials... stuff like correspondence, reports, etc that resulted in the company finally agreeing to pay. If you can't find anything just googling [http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=certainteed+court+"fiber+cement"&aq=f&oq= &aqi=&fp=leBsIIJAIN0 a decent sized lawfirm will be able to do a wider search.

Good luck!
Steve

alanheth

REGARD DEFECTIVE PRODUCT:

Still need info on the formula change. They used to use silica then went to fly ash and have received much kudu for recycling. Fly ash absorbs water doesn't it. So it can freeze. Silica does not.

Someone said that they adjusted the fly ash formula. I was asked "does anyone know if any defective pieces of siding have been done by any lab testing... composition and compliance ASTM specifications???"

Thanks Much,

Alan Heth
alanheth@yahoo.com

madtowncondo

We installed certainteed fibercement siding in 2005 on 6 condominium buildings 124 units total, and recently discovered that several of the buildings are experiencing shrinkage at the joints and warping. Some of the pieces are pulling off of the building.

We have contacted certainteed and they are claiming it is an install issue which I do not believe. They claim the nails were over driven in areas that look like the board it self has shrunk enough to pull the nail into the siding the 1/8" they claim it was over driven.

In looking through some of the similar issues that others have had around the same time frame in 2005 I am looking for information anyone would have on their results with Certainteed in their claim?

Any help or advice is appreciated

dans@brunerrealtyinc.com

Dog

When this house is done I will not hang fiber-cement siding ever again. Never say never? Well, I've been through all the "reccomended" tools I can buy and fiber cement siding is still a nightmare.

Got the shears, tried ring-shanked, non-shanked, siding nailer, roofing nailer, framing nailer, to no avail.

This siding is just plain difficult to work with -

Cutting - so far our best results are with a circular saw. Shears break the siding at the front or rear of the cut. So, the dust will continue from our circular saws.

Nailing - so far a framing nailer with ring-shank nails works the best, but packing a framing nailer all day to hang siding is cumbersome. Expect broken out corners and field shots.

Finally...

The fiber cement we hanged last year looks like crap. Some planks have cracked and the joints have expanded to more than a half inch.


Never Again.

Javelin350

hitachi nv65ah best dam siding gun around. My buddy has a max nailer but it dosent like the nails we shoot won't advance them.

Random Lengths

The problem with using ring shanked nails is they actual make a bigger hole in the siding than what the diameter of the nail is,which can cause that loose look or you can get that rattle sound even when its snugged up tight. I find the smooth shanked to work best, they hold just as well provided you get the proper stud penetration.

Tom Struble

use ringshanks all the time in fc,never had a nail holding problem

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MortyNTenon

I installed CT prefinished siding on my own house (in SD) at the end of 03. It came through Wausau Supply, I'm not sure if they were doing the painting at that time or not.(They do now). In 07 we found vertical hairline cracks many at about 50 inches from the ends -as in two areas of cracks per piece. The Wausau Rep and the Lumber Yard Rep came and looked at it and contacted Certainteed who decided we mis-handled the siding, but Wausau offered $750 for new paint. I can guarantee that I didn't mis-handle nearly every piece of siding! I told them that painting over failing paint was not going to fix anything. Thankfully our man at the lumber yard basically told them if they wanted to continue business that we need new siding. We finally got time to install it put haven't gotten paid for installation yet so the lumber yard is deducting it from the suppliers next bill. I think Wausau not CT is footing the bill.

We have used it on maybe 10 houses since 03 and haven't seen any shrinkage problems yet. I know at least one has some hairline cracks though. We keep it absolutely dry until installation, use a full round framing gun, set the nail with the hammer, and use joint covers.

I think we're using Hardi on our current project, CT still has the best look in my opinion though. My next house will be brick!

Benny54

So whats your beef if they replaced it?

easy sider

Think about that for a minute.

A W Smith

If i recall they changed the spec to allow for ring shank. The problem with the ring shanks though is they will rasp away the sides of the hole when shot. Although the panel will be tight upon installation, If the panel shrinks in its linear dimension it will be easy for the nail head to pull right through. Then you will be cited for over driving the nails, When that wasn't the case at all. If you use EG siding nails though the nails could pull out of the substrate easier, especially because of the blind nailing. Perhaps a HD galvanized nail would be a compromise. My problem is, I cant even GET the Certainteed product in my area. The vendors listed have dropped the line. I have a nice Makita siding nail gun with nothing to shoot at LOL.

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knucklehead

I hate the stuff

CSinc.

you guys scare the crap out of me because ive been wanting to start pushing the fiber cement to potential customers.it seem like a superior product to me but im beginning to wonder.ive never had a piece of vinyl fall off of a wall or shrink a full 1/2".wtf are you guys serious?

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buddy110

X2. There's nothing about cement siding that I find appealing

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