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06-10-2008, 12:58 PM
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Dressing up a house with low cost.
I’m siding one of my properties and am trying to dress it up as much as possible with keeping the cost as low as possible at the same time.
So far, I’ve decided to use a .040” siding, it cost $18 less a square and I can get a pretty dark clay color with out paying for a premium color.
I’ve also debated using window dressings, I could use vinyl or excel, but am going to use some sheeting and make aluminum “pocket-J”. I can get a coil of white aluminum for $60 and it’s enough to do all the windows if I go with a 3.5” face. I’ll put sheeting under to keep it more ridgid.
To make the house look better, I did decide to use a 5.5” traditional super corner and 20’ lengths to avoid seams on corners. It will cost me about $100 more but I feel it’s worth the cost as I only need 4 corners on this home.
These are the idea’s I’ve been able to come up with. I’ve done the soffit and Fascia already, I break my own fascia to cut cost on the investment as well.
Any cost effective tips that I could do to dress the house up better? It’s an investment property, but I have a roofing and siding company so I can’t just leave it looking like crap.
Thanks in advance!
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06-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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shutters, man your keyboard types small, its difficult to read, can you please increase you type size? thanks
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06-10-2008, 03:21 PM
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Font size looks fine to me, it may just be your age catching up with you gene.....
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06-10-2008, 03:51 PM
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rip your own corners and paint and nail them yourself.... bout as cheap as you can go
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06-10-2008, 04:59 PM
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bending your own fascia has never worked out to be cheaper any way I have figured it, plus without putting ribs in it ( I have a die for my tapco) seems to flimsy to me. I have always found it much quicker to just by pre-bent fascia. Do some decent low maitenece hard scapes. ummmm.... other than that it seems you have covered all of your low cost jewlery for the outside of a home.
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06-10-2008, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc.
bending your own fascia has never worked out to be cheaper any way I have figured it, plus without putting ribs in it ( I have a die for my tapco) seems to flimsy to me. I have always found it much quicker to just by pre-bent fascia. Do some decent low maitenece hard scapes. ummmm.... other than that it seems you have covered all of your low cost jewlery for the outside of a home.
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I tend to agree with warner when doing simple flat faced fascia. If you brake some step-fascia it would make it 'pop' a bit more and look fancier and expensive without much more work. But I think you mentioned you already finished the fascia....
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06-10-2008, 09:40 PM
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I spend $120 on 2 coils to do the fascia on the house....it would be far more if I bought it. I get 150' of fascia for $60.
I don't like the ribs myself, I would rather it be smooth...streamline. I think it looks more crisp. I also don't like the wood grain that most people like though also. The seams line up nice and tight as long as the angles are the same and the drip is fairly tight, I've never had a problem.
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06-10-2008, 10:52 PM
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Dark colored .040 vinyl has a very bad reputation to distort in hot weather. Even at .042 Certainteed Mainstreet has a problem with Granite Grey and Oxford Blue in hot climates.
We wrap wide facia without ribs. Our widest was 16 inches. There are some ways to install wide wraps without it oil canning.
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06-11-2008, 12:06 PM
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It's .040 Variform Siding, Mountain Stone Clay.
I know it's not the best quality siding, I'd love to use monogram but I can't put $85sq siding on this home. If it were a customers home, or a home I intended on living in, I'd be stepping up the quality.
As it is, the house already will look 3 times better than any house on the block. I would never get my return on investment with the location of the home if I spend double on the siding. I don't mind the extra labor as I just dink around on the house because I have no life!
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06-11-2008, 01:13 PM
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You might choose a lighter color as they out perform dark colors as far as heat distortion goes.
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06-11-2008, 06:20 PM
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That's a idea,
I'm color blind and I don't pick out the colors, I have a friend who does for me. She's really good at it, people always compliment how the colors work.
I'll have to run the idea past her.
It's not a super dark color, they don't realy make real dark colors in the cheaper siding. Even the Mainstreet does not have real dark colors anymore.
My ideal color I wanted was the Pacific Blue paired with white corners and window dressings. But it added 1200 to my cost and it's just not in the budget for a investment home and the current housing market.
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06-11-2008, 07:39 PM
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I second the concerns on the siding. I won't use .040 regardless of the color, but with a dark color you may as well toss your money away because it will look like total garbage in a year.
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06-11-2008, 08:33 PM
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We wrap wide facia without ribs. Our widest was 16 inches. There are some ways to install wide wraps without it oil canning.
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Easy, Can you elaborate on how to avoid the canning issue?
Thanks,
Dave
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06-11-2008, 08:50 PM
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You say
“But I have a roofing and siding company so I can’t just leave it looking like crap.”
But thinner siding and in a dark color. Better to have the house looking like you have not had time to work on it, then to look like you did work on it and your workmanship looks like crap again in a few years.
Taking a chance with white much less a darker color.
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06-11-2008, 08:53 PM
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Quote:
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Easy, Can you elaborate on how to avoid the canning issue?
Thanks,
Dave
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We make a slight bend at 1.25 off the top. This area is for 3 #6 siding nails. We then use outdoor adhesive on the clean facia. Then install the wrap gently pushing the wrap to the glue. Our bottom bend covering the soffit is also 1.25 and we drill 3 - 4 holes after installing the wrap and use #6 siding nails into the soffit rib. Its very important to pre drill the wrap before using any fastener. Our facia lengths are mostly 12 ft.
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06-11-2008, 09:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by easy sider
We make a slight bend at 1.25 off the top. This area is for 3 #6 siding nails. We then use outdoor adhesive on the clean facia. Then install the wrap gently pushing the wrap to the glue. Our bottom bend covering the soffit is also 1.25 and we drill 3 - 4 holes after installing the wrap and use #6 siding nails into the soffit rib. Its very important to pre drill the wrap before using any fastener. Our facia lengths are mostly 12 ft.
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Easy, When you say "this area for 3 #6 nails" does that mean on a 12' pc you space them out and keep the nails within the 1.25 slight bend? I assume some of that 1.25 goes under the drip. So that would be nailing along the top of the pc under the roof edge?
What use for adhesive and where do you put it, on the face or under where the bend is?
You must drill the hole slightly larger than the fastener.
Thanks,
Dave
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