Closing Up Shop

ProSide

I'm not a little boy either .you keep talking to me like that and I'll drive from NC to PA and put and end to your mouth...

losthenfound

Proside
But and Caulk on the vertical is a good and sound installation. A true watertable at the top of the window sheds water. J Channel by contrast, even if you cover it with aluminum, will leak. It collects water and sends it under the siding. The problem with the industry is the belief in a "System." It has diminished good and sound reason in the field. A leak to the underlayment is a leak, plain and simple. Just like anything else, your weakest link is the measure of the total strength of your system.

So your siding is your housewrap, or underlayment. Your protection system for the houswrap is your siding, the "Supplemental Rain Screen," Vinyl Siding.

Don't be so angry - It will be OK

dkillianjr

Hey lost, first of all the pic on the right looks like the leak was caused from the gutter and second, no sh*t J-channel will leak IF YOU DON'T INSTALL IT RIGHT. Once again it isn't the siding or the horrible J-channel its the idiots that install it wrong that are to blame. GET A LIFE, LOST


Dave

guttersonly

lost dont brag how good your fiber cement siding jobs are i seen them they look like ****

crduschik

Vinyl is Cheap. That is why it sells to customers who have homes which are not valuable. It is the Walmart of siding. Bargain price which will cost you in the end. I see too many homes with hail damage holes in the vinyl, the fading problem, the leakage issues with j-channel, the siding unzipping by itself (installation problem?), oh, and it looks like ****. Most companies just cover up old siding with the stuff, how are they to fix any problems with out tearing all the existing siding off. Vinyl is still junk and I know it always will be. Dont get a flame near it either, or their goes your home. Fiber cement will have its flaws here though also with all the companies installing it improperly. If there is a market for vinyl though it will still sell to the slums! or other idiots!

neolitic

You could have had the hat trick,
if you had only been able to work
a "how much?" into it.

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loneframer

You dug up a thread from 2007 to make a ludicrous statement like that? There are many types and grades of vinyl siding and if installed properly, will manage and divert water away from the wall without the use of caulk. There are many installation tecniques that need to be applied in conjunction with the weather barrier to insure a leak free product. Just as shingles need proper flashing details to provide a leak free roof.
I'd live in any one of these ghetto homes.

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trimchiree

a good vinyl job will protect a home better than a poor hardi job, its all in the mindfullness of the installation...isnt that what this site is all about??

i've torn off aluminum siding my grandfather installed 40-50 years ago and found no water damage what-so-ever and our techhniques have only improved

buddy110

Agreed

ABKY

I,m doing a hardy house right now and it is the worst product in the world. As soon as this stupid caulk shrinks, Its gonna leak. Whoever pushes this junk is setting himself up for a lifetime of callbacks and $15000 in caulk guns!

neolitic

Did you read their literature?
Did you use the recommended
flashing behind the joints?

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Ranzan

.....I don`t think that happened...

BattleRidge

err 90% of homes where I am from are Hardi. Its a good product. Some vinyls are good products. I use probably 7 bottles of caulk on a hardi job, we prime out ends and there is just flashing under the joints that way they look clean. I think that there were a large amount of mistaken people in this thread.

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tccoggs

Any material can be great, or piss poor, it all comes down to the guy with the hammer putting it up. I put hardie on my own home and am very happy with it, but it goes without saying that I spent the extra time to detail everything properly. I take the time to inspect all the window caulking and areas of penetration in the spring and fall to catch a problem before it happens.

I see great vinyl jobs and mostly piss poor cover-ups. I think this is where the industry went wrong. Some Vinyl jobs that I see and like are those that are new construction and were planned to be vinyl from day one. The vinyl facelifts never look right and are typically poorly detailed, and leak all over. Typical situation, homeowner has old siding in need of paint, paint job will cost him $7500, cover it with vinyl is only a couple bucks more, so they do it. The cost to do a proper reside is really far more, but they won't spend the money to do it right regardless of the material so they end up living in a plastic covered box with zero detail.

My aunt was one of these people tha totally ruined a 1919 shingle style home, that she didn't want to paint and needed to sell it. When done, it was the worst looking house in the neighborhood, and the new owners tore off the vinyl in a few months to restore the original look of the home. I should mention that the whole house was covered in beautiful cedar perfection shingles.

If you go into a McDonalds in this area that has been renovated recently, it is probably covered in Hardie. It seems to be holding up well, but you can tell that they used cheap water based caulk on everything. Thank god for 2 foot overhangs.

steel baron

Hey,
check out our site if you need steel seamless siding, cut to length
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George

Burns-Built

I just love listening to everyone bicker..

But hardi is a better product, and vinyl relys to heavily on the Tyvek or drainage barrier to keep things from rotting. Not many people take the proper precautions when installing it and you have many years of problems.

But when it comes to anything there are those guys who are putting in their time to collect that paycheck and nothing more. No matter where you go you will unfortunetly have those types.

Bottom line is vinyl is cheap and all people are worried about is up front cost.
Hardi is more expensive but a far superior product. If done right you don't need to rely on 47 year caulking. It is all in the craftsmanship

buddy110

I hate the look of hardi, and the silica is toxic. I won't sell it. I don't care for vinyl much either but like you said it's all in the workmanship. I can make even vinyl look good, especially a 40' panel. The end result looks wayyyyyyyy better than any concrete board.

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Tom Struble

all claddings depend on a wrb and proper drainage

the big problem is 80 percent of the ''installers'' haven't even read the 3 lines of instructions that come on the box

you will find the true siding mechanics on here are the ones that are educating themselves ,not the one's that know everthing already

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bconley

Vinyl siding is way more toxic than silica check out this

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...act/129/5/1023
and this
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_ml...902_index.html

So you should close up shop for these reasons

buddy110

Well in a word Blue vinyl was kind of funny....

Don't get me worng. I'm not a vinyl fan and in fact I'm moving away from vinyl products, but not into concrete board

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