charging more to install Pella? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

davinci · 03-21-2008, 08:21 AM

all things being equal,you guys charge more to install pella and marvin than a regular vinyl window? i charge 275 for a wood window and 225 for vinyl. thats just me.

tin man · 03-21-2008, 05:08 PM

We charge the same price for install vinyl or wood.Same job if both are replacements.

davinci · 03-21-2008, 05:19 PM

i know a few guys that get over 300 to install a window with no problem.

**genecarp** · 03-21-2008, 05:23 PM

you would be crazy not to charge more for a marvin than a vinyl, more $ exposure. break a $200 vinyl or a $900 marvin, the more $ the item costs, the more you should be charging

Patrick · 03-21-2008, 05:58 PM

we are going to get a larger profit on a more expensive product, because our markup is a percentage of the cost. We are only going to charge to install, what it costs to install. If you are so worried about breaking things that you need to build it into the cost, perhaps you should be more careful.

**genecarp** · 03-21-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

we are going to get a larger profit on a more expensive product, because our markup is a percentage of the cost. We are only going to charge to install, what it costs to install. If you are so worried about breaking things that you need to build it into the cost, perhaps you should be more careful.

according to that logic patrick, its obvious you have never done a job that the homowner supplied the windows, or working for a contractor that supplied the windows, if the day comes that you do, let us know how it works to install a $10,000 entry door for the same price as a $300 thermatru. i will sub to you

Patrick · 03-21-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by genecarp

according to that logic patrick, its obvious you have never done a job that the homowner supplied the windows, or working for a contractor that supplied the windows, if the day comes that you do, let us know how it works to install a $10,000 entry door for the same price as a $300 thermatru. i will sub to you

A) We NEVER us home owner supplied materials
B) We NEVER Sub contract.
C) We NEVER work for builders
D) IF we ever did, our contract would state that WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for HO supplied materials.

Secondly, a $300 therma-tru is going to likely be a simple prehung 3068 door with brickmould, pretty simple install.

Chances are a door that costs $10,000 if there is such a beast, is NOT going to be prehung, is going to have some sort of delivery issues, be extremely heavy, require fancier heavier more complicated hardware. All of these would add to the labor burden, and you should charge more because it is physically more work, not because your crapping your pants that you might drop it on the way into the house.

Are we perfect? No, we break stuff, we mis measure windows, its no big deal, our markup allows us to screw up every once in a while.

**genecarp** · 03-21-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

A) We NEVER us home owner supplied materials
B) We NEVER Sub contract.
C) We NEVER work for builders
D) IF we ever did, our contract would state that WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for HO supplied materials.

Secondly, a $300 therma-tru is going to likely be a simple prehung 3068 door with brickmould, pretty simple install.

Chances are a door that costs $10,000 if there is such a beast, is NOT going to be prehung, is going to have some sort of delivery issues, be extremely heavy, require fancier heavier more complicated hardware. All of these would add to the labor burden, and you should charge more because it is physically more work, not because your crapping your pants that you might drop it on the way into the house.

Are we perfect? No, we break stuff, we mis measure windows, its no big deal, our markup allows us to screw up every once in a while.

over the years i have done all of the things that you say you have never done, A,B, and C. as far as D goes, yes we are not responsible for materials supplied by the homowner only to the point that if it comes in damaged they would be responsible for resolving the issue, and all time delays, what you are saying implies that if you break a homowner supplied window, you are not responsible because you did not supply it? we all do things differently, when i work with more costly material i charge more for handling, and of coarse i make more on markup. also, SCOTTSDALE ART FACTORY google it i just installed two 10,800 dollar prehung exterior doors, cedar, hand forged hardware.

Patrick · 03-21-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by genecarp

over the years i have done all of the things that you say you have never done, A,B, and C. as far as D goes, yes we are not responsible for materials supplied by the homowner only to the point that if it comes in damaged they would be responsible for resolving the issue, and all time delays, what you are saying implies that if you break a homowner supplied window, you are not responsible because you did not supply it? we all do things differently, when i work with more costly material i charge more for handling, and of coarse i make more on markup. also, SCOTTSDALE ART FACTORY google it i just installed two 10,800 dollar prehung exterior doors, cedar, hand forged hardware.

Exactly, I guarantee that was more difficult to install than a therma tru prehung. Of course you should charge more labor.

We gennerally arent in the habit of breaking things. I have never had a HO with a good reason to supply their own material. We will sell them the same product, and WE WILL warranty it. We will not warranty installs of customer supplied material, so they really don't have a choice.

And yes if we were to break it, TOUGH. When you go get work done on your truck, if they break a bracket, or bolts, or a hose while doing the work you specified, BELIEVE me your getting billed for those broken parts.

So also by your logic, if someone goes to home depot and buys a $75 pre hung entry door off of the dent rack, are you going to install if for CHEAP since it didn't cost as much as a therma tru?

**genecarp** · 03-21-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Exactly, I guarantee that was more difficult to install than a therma tru prehung. Of course you should charge more labor.

We gennerally arent in the habit of breaking things. I have never had a HO with a good reason to supply their own material. We will sell them the same product, and WE WILL warranty it. We will not warranty installs of customer supplied material, so they really don't have a choice.

And yes if we were to break it, TOUGH. When you go get work done on your truck, if they break a bracket, or bolts, or a hose while doing the work you specified, BELIEVE me your getting billed for those broken parts.

So also by your logic, if someone goes to home depot and buys a $75 pre hung entry door off of the dent rack, are you going to install if for CHEAP since it didn't cost as much as a therma tru?

all my buisness decisions are based on being profitable, i would not charge less to install the 75 dollar door, IT WOULD NOT BE LOGICAL