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Old 10-01-2012, 10:23 PM   #1
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I couldn't find a recent post about cedar shake vinyl siding. Obviously price is almost always a consideration, so I'd like to know what an estimated cost per square would be for various brands, but I'm really interested to know what brands to look at for the most natural and realistic cedar shake. I've used certainteed perfection 5" straight edge before in wicker color. I don't think they had come out with the mountain cedar color yet, and from the pictures that I have seen of that color, it looks very impressive. I also have some samples of the foundry shakes from about 4 or 5 years ago, and am not a big fan, but maybe they've improved.

Anyway, we're about a month away from siding a house we're building so any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:32 PM   #2
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the mountain cedar may be available in 7'' perfections,it was supposed to be in the whole shake line up but thats been postponed for some reason

mastics shake line is nice too and imo a little easier to install

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locally its rarely done. i think the cost is the killer most people will simply go with fibre cement or something along those lines after they see the cost of the cedar shingle looking vinyl. we've done 2 homes like this in 9 years.. but weve done countless wood and fibre cement jobs with the odd normal vinyl here or there
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I've used Certainteed, Crane, Royal and Novik. IMO, all have their good and bad points. Availability would be first consideration, including accessories.

I would have no problem using any of the above again, but all in all, I like Royal from an installation standpoint.
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I used certainteed before... It was a nice product, But to me had a sort of "rubbermaid" look..... It was pricey too.... I think it was about $300 a square.

The neat thing was each section had a thermometer on the back that dictated the spacing...
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I used certainteed before... It was a nice product, But to me had a sort of "rubbermaid" look..... It was pricey too.... I think it was about $300 a square.

The neat thing was each section had a thermometer on the back that dictated the spacing...
The thermometer is nice because it gives a good guideline as to where you set the spacing at the seams. You still need to store the panels out of direct sunlight until ready to install to get an accurate reading on the thermometer.
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Royal was my preferred product to install as well.
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locally its rarely done. i think the cost is the killer most people will simply go with fibre cement or something along those lines after they see the cost of the cedar shingle looking vinyl. we've done 2 homes like this in 9 years.. but weve done countless wood and fibre cement jobs with the odd normal vinyl here or there
fc shakes are not cheaper than vinyl around here in material or labor

uncoated wood is a little cheaper material wise but no way is the install going to be
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certainteed is the one everybody knows about,the only thing really significant you can say about the others is ''their a little cheaper''
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certainteed is the one everybody knows about,the only thing really significant you can say about the others is ''their a little cheaper''
The one thing that stands out about the others is that the graining returns under the butts of the shakes. The last time I saw Certainteed, it did not.

When I did my house, the supplier had discontinued Novik and brought in Royal. I got old stock for a significant discount and have no regrets. The Novik is holding it's color well and I like to appearance of the product.
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there are really 2 styles of shake panels..well 3 if you count the single row panels one has the nail slot in the middle at the end of the panel which is what most other panels besides ct have,as Tom said this was in the original Nailite perfection panel.CTs panel design is proprietary

i like Royals products,but wood grain on the butt is a non issue imo
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certainteed cedar impressions are terrible in my opinion. there is so much waste when siding gable ends.
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properly installed they all have the same waste factor,they all have a ''half/whole'' starting pattern except for the Foundry panel,which has very low waste

you know you can use the leftover peak panels in the rakes
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CT cedar impressions can't find any pics of the garage but we did the garage this way too.

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One of these reasons I like Royal was the continuous lock on both adjoining pieces and that temp guage. Some of these products had individual tabs on one side the was a pain in the ass work with. I think one of the cheesiest was Wolverine(I think) they had a single row bubble which was installer friendly but flimsy.
The proper way to terminate these materials to to uses a punch to make your own nail slot then cover with a snap on cornice trim to hide it. Of course not all the suppliers like to carry it and if they did it was white only.
On gable ends I used some kind of construction adhesive in the lock on small pieces. I learned not all adhesives work well long term.
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properly installed they all have the same waste factor,they all have a ''half/whole'' starting pattern except for the Foundry panel,which has very low waste

you know you can use the leftover peak panels in the rakes
foundry!! thats what we use. couldnt remember the name

yup they go up nicely and little waste
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fc shakes are not cheaper than vinyl around here in material or labor

uncoated wood is a little cheaper material wise but no way is the install going to be
from what ive seen fc shakes arent available here.. never seen them in use or at any home show with harti having a booth. im not saying fc is cheaper.. saying the vinyl shakes are so much more than reg vinyl people here just upgrade to fc or cape cod siding
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One of these reasons I like Royal was the continuous lock on both adjoining pieces and that temp guage. Some of these products had individual tabs on one side the was a pain in the ass work with. I think one of the cheesiest was Wolverine(I think) they had a single row bubble which was installer friendly but flimsy.
The proper way to terminate these materials to to uses a punch to make your own nail slot then cover with a snap on cornice trim to hide it. Of course not all the suppliers like to carry it and if they did it was white only.
On gable ends I used some kind of construction adhesive in the lock on small pieces. I learned not all adhesives work well long term.
I predrill and face nail with a ss ringshank any piece that needs it,Ill tuck them in a groove so they are less noticeable,some may say no but ive found its the best for me

When installing over foam you may have trouble interlocking the ends

the small stand off lugs sink readily into the foam

laying in a straight edge behind the panel under the lug will make interlocking much easier
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I predrill and face nail with a ss ringshank any piece that needs it,Ill tuck them in a groove so they are less noticeable,some may say no but ive found its the best for me

When installing over foam you may have trouble interlocking the ends

the small stand off lugs sink readily into the foam

laying in a straight edge behind the panel under the lug will make interlocking much easier


Those were the exact vinyl shakes I have installed... They install nice, and I totally think they are a nice product, but IMO will never look as nice as the real thing.

I install lots of vinyl. I think it is a good siding choice. I would never put it on my own home. Rental home for sure. My house not a chance.

I am a purist, but that's why my weekends are always packed with chores around the home.

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