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Old 09-01-2008, 07:22 PM   #1
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Attaching Soffit To Brick


We have a new construction job coming up where we have to attach about 100' of soffit to brick on the front of the house. Guess my idea was to tapcon the aluminum F channel to the brick but wondered about what you guys have found is the easiest. I have seen other fasteners where you use a hammer to set them. Also wonder about marking and chaulking up against the brick in order to mount the F channel. Kind of a different bird for us. Wax markers?
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Old 09-01-2008, 07:29 PM   #2
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Re: Attaching Soffit To Brick


We always want a 2x3 nailer parelel with the bottom of the facia. F channel will fail in a strong wind if your soffit has any lenght.

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2x4 above the brick 1/2 " above parallel to the fascia, nail aluminum J channel to 2x4, then put in the soffits.
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doesn't the brickwork stop below where the soffit needs to be? You should put up the F channel first, then brick up to it, leaving room for the masons to do their job. Then put in the soffit panels.
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We do it like MJW and Easy. We have never done one before the brick, the masons always want to do their work first.
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I have had the masons run the brick all the way up past the fascia boards before. What I did then ,and have done every since is nail a vertical 2x4 on every rafter or truss 1.5 inches above level of fascia,and against brick. Then nail 2x4 horizontally on bottom of vertical nailer's against the brick .
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We always want a 2x3 nailer parelel with the bottom of the facia.
Ditto plus a frieze board where the soffit and brick meet.

The masons should go first.
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I wouldn't recommend an expandable fastener as you were mentioning in the intro-if driven into brick and set, the expansion just might crack the brick in half. you may get away w/ powder actuated fasteners into the mortar joint, but if the brick doesn't extend much above where you are working, I wouldn't recommedn it. Tapcon and construction adhesive (try landscape block adhesive) would be 'safe'.
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I tapcon 1x8's to the brick so it looks correct with a freeze board.

Just running the brick up without some sort of cornish is cheap. There needs to be a freeze board period.
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I'll clarify.

You know where your fascia is and where your soffit will be. Put up the receiving channel for the soffit panels. Tell your mason to terminate at the receiving "F" channel. This will allow him to reach up into the soffit and lay those brick.

Then install your soffit panels. There will be a small space between the panels and the top of the last course of brick. This is a space which no one should care about because it goes nowhere.

If someone has a better solution, send photos. Rolex allegedly makes some frieze panel which noone stocks which closes this gap. I'd like to try it if I could buy it.

Back when people were using plywood for soffit, they did the same thing. As far as I know, there has never been a perfect solution between the brick and the soffit panels.
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thanks, cleveman. i was beginning to think that maybe we were nuts for going before the masons, but that is always the way we do it. gives you a lot neater job. the masons can lay to your channel/frieze board a lot tighter than you can try to fit to their brick after they have been installed.
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I have had the masons run the brick all the way up past the fascia boards before. What I did then ,and have done every since is nail a vertical 2x4 on every rafter or truss 1.5 inches above level of fascia,and against brick. Then nail 2x4 horizontally on bottom of vertical nailer's against the brick .
A little extra work, but a good idea.

On the other thoughts, yes you could run the F first and have them brick up to it. If it was my project, I would use 2x4's and put up the soffits. Wood is cheaper than F. Although, most masons want to go first, so they don't splash anything on the soffits and they won't have to worry about bending any of them.

On our jobs, we are going to using 1x's or 2x's, nailing up and then using siding J to cover it. Just need a few F's for boxes and such. The last box of F we bought was $200!!!!
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I wouldn't recommend an expandable fastener as you were mentioning in the intro-if driven into brick and set, the expansion just might crack the brick in half. you may get away w/ powder actuated fasteners into the mortar joint, but if the brick doesn't extend much above where you are working, I wouldn't recommedn it. Tapcon and construction adhesive (try landscape block adhesive) would be 'safe'.

Just a side note:


As stated, powder Loads, RamSet, Hilti, Remington, are not too favorable when dealing with brick. They LOVE Mortar, but not brick face.
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wow, that sounds like trouble down the road--shutter plugs. I hate using F-not being able to nail the back of the soffit, esp on longer overhangs, concerns me.

we build out our framing at 4 1/2 ", install our soffit and let them brick to it.
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Re: Attaching Soffit To Brick


Around here if there doing the soffits before the brick they don't know what there doing. Period.

I can't imagine it being different anywhere else.

Have you all heard of a chicken ladder before?

I'm shocked at what i'm reading.
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Isn't the big difference whether it's veneer or solid. Quite a valid question if it's a remod....2x4 cleat tapconned level with the sub facia as a nailer for the F channel, ... That's already been said.

New construction with venner, I'd have to say the carpenters should nail a 2x4 ledger at finished soffit plan and let the masons lay to that line, siders remove the ledger and have at it.

Even better, carpenters should install a permanent legder 1/4" to a half" below the soffit plane. That way the mason's grout into it and F channel goes normally with a better seal. Leaves a nice shadow line that most people wouldn't even notice.....

I probably missed the whole point....just my two cents
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try to be a little more open-minded siding pro. Just because you don't do it a certain way, doesn't mean it's wrong!! We have done it both ways, and I would much rather go before the masons. I should qualify this remark by saying--the mason's that I use. Maybe other masons are different. I have asked them often and they say they have no preference on going before or after the soffit is installed. So i guess i'll just keep doing it the way i am!!

and yes siding pro-- in my opinion i do know what I am doing!!

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