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12-27-2006, 11:54 AM
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Aluminum soffit estimate?
Customer wants aluminum soffit over top original 1.5" wood beadboard (1920s stucco home) soffit for a maintenance free installation. I would rather restore the wood soffit since I have never done this type of work. The soffits are 32" wide and the majority of the work is around 20' with some as high as 28'. The fascia and gutters will be done as well.
I figure the following (labor and material) for seamless gutters (gutter/downspout/leaf guard/hidden fasteners), aluminum fascia and aluminum soffit w/ F channel @ $30lf. House is about 180lf.
Reasonable or highway robbery?
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12-27-2006, 04:46 PM
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If you haven't done it before I would go with vinyl soffit, It is a lot easier to handle than aluminum. As far as pricing, you need to figure that based on how long you think it will take (since you never did it) and the cost of material.
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12-27-2006, 06:50 PM
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Gutters- It might be cheaper to sub them out unless you are set up for them.
Soffit-I get coil stock in 24" rolls, are you able to get a wider roll? If not, how do you plan on seaming it?
I would agree with Tim, if you can do vinyl it is alot quicker.
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12-27-2006, 10:10 PM
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Soffit-I get coil stock in 24" rolls, are you able to get a wider roll? If not, how do you plan on seaming it?
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Doesn't aluminum soffit come in either 12" or 16" exposures by 12ft long? I will only get 64" out of a 12ft piece but what can you do.
I planned on putting a piece of wood lath in the center as a nailer for support. Should the same be done with vinyl? Will there be any problems with the vinyl sagging?
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Gutters- It might be cheaper to sub them out unless you are set up for them.
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Our local lumber yard will come out measure and cut for around $1.70/lf seamless. I also live in a small town and contractors wont even show up for estimates. I usually get the jobs by default
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As far as pricing, you need to figure that based on how long you think it will take (since you never did it) and the cost of material.
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At the moment I'm guesstimating around (high) $5.00/lf for material not including fascia. I haven't priced that yet. Can you buy preformed fascia that doesn't have the ribs?
Thanks for the comments!
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12-27-2006, 11:04 PM
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Around here 32" overhang and up to an 8" height on fascia would go for about $18 per foot and gutters $6, depending on what you are doing for leaf protection I have seen products that can easily install go for about $5 a foot up to real fancy ones go for upwards of $15 a foot. And for the one that said vinyl products, get your head out of the sand and install something that will hold up longer than 5 years.
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12-28-2006, 12:03 AM
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Vinyl holds up much longer than aluminum here. Salt air and such.
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12-28-2006, 12:52 AM
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With that wide of a overhang, aluminum would be better because of it being more rigid. I don't know if that makes sense I am tired and its hard to think.
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12-28-2006, 08:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K_Tile
Customer wants aluminum soffit over top original 1.5" wood beadboard (1920s stucco home) soffit for a maintenance free installation. I would rather restore the wood soffit since I have never done this type of work. The soffits are 32" wide and the majority of the work is around 20' with some as high as 28'. The fascia and gutters will be done as well.
I figure the following (labor and material) for seamless gutters (gutter/downspout/leaf guard/hidden fasteners), aluminum fascia and aluminum soffit w/ F channel @ $30lf. House is about 180lf.
Reasonable or highway robbery? 
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I dunno.. Do you know the condition of the fascia board/rafter tails? You may want to factor in unknowns. 30.00 seems a bit on the low side..What size gutter are you installing? What type of gutter protection are you using? Also, I'd go with vinyl soffit...
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12-28-2006, 09:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K_Tile
Our local lumber yard will come out measure and cut for around $1.70/lf seamless. I also live in a small town and contractors wont even show up for estimates. I usually get the jobs by default 
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:::Thud::: 1.70ft?? Does that price include hangers & sealant?
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12-28-2006, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ARCS
And for the one that said vinyl products, get your head out of the sand and install something that will hold up longer than 5 years.
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Let's see, take a piece of metal with a coat of paint on it and set it out in the weather for 5 years next to a piece of vinyl and then report back to me.
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12-28-2006, 06:57 PM
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:::Thud::: 1.70ft?? Does that price include hangers & sealant?
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I think that is gutter only and $.60/hanger. I don't have my notes with me. I cant tell if that was a good or bad "THUD"? I noticed you are in SW OHIO I'm in SE Ohio. A big difference in economy
I am looking into Alcoa "Leaf Relief" gutter guards. Any comments? I like the idea of being able to look into the bottom of the gutters since it is a .019 aluminum mesh screen instead of a full covered guard. Oh! they are 5" gutters.
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12-28-2006, 10:27 PM
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Holy Crap! I wish I could get the prices you guys are talkin about,Around here soffitt& fascia that wide would go for around $9 a lin. ft. and seamless gutter 2.50 installed.If you decide to go vinyl make sure you don't use universal soffitt,it is only about 3/8'' thick,it will sag,use something with a 3/4'' profile and you should be alright,it's a little cheaper than aluminum also.
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12-29-2006, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by K_Tile
Brndivy
I think that is gutter only and $.60/hanger. I don't have my notes with me. I cant tell if that was a good or bad "THUD"? I noticed you are in SW OHIO I'm in SE Ohio. A big difference in economy
I am looking into Alcoa "Leaf Relief" gutter guards. Any comments? I like the idea of being able to look into the bottom of the gutters since it is a .019 aluminum mesh screen instead of a full covered guard. Oh! they are 5" gutters.
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That's a bad THUD..Sorry. By the way, you're getting robbed on your hangers too.
Are you sure you're talking about another type of gutter protection? Leaf Relief does not have a mesh screen. I am not impressed with it's performance at all on 6" and even less impressed on 5". You would be better off installing somthing that sit on top of the facial lip instead of sitting below it.
How close are you to Cleveland? PM Me and I'll give you a couple numbers...
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12-29-2006, 10:47 AM
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Holy Crap!! house bldr!! How are you able to install gutter at 2.50 ft. My cost to install is 1.75 ft. How are you able to stay in business? I think 30.00 per lf is a fair price.
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12-29-2006, 02:37 PM
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Vinyl holds up much longer than aluminum here. Salt air and such.
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I guess I never really thought of that being from northern MN. Here with the extreme temp changes winter low is approx -55 to summer high of about 105, vinyl just does not cut it for anything outside here.
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12-29-2006, 03:28 PM
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I never thought about being from MN.  We stay pretty mellow here, lows in the 40's (just a few days) and highs in the 90's (also just a few days).
No problems with vinyl and it doesn't rust or corrode.
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12-29-2006, 04:27 PM
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Today I was up in Cleveland. It is about a 3 hour drive. I'm down by Parkersburg WV. I will call some of my wholesalers on the accessories like hangers and such. The other outfit is the only one I know around here that will cut/drop the gutters. I called them again and its $1.75lf and .93cents a hanger. Even worse  The Alcoa "leaf relief" might not be mesh but this is the one. http://www.alcoa.com/alcoahomes/prod...ductCategory=5
Which guard brand do you prefer?
Attached is a photo of the home.
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12-29-2006, 10:59 PM
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If I were you, I would tell them I would take the gutter at 1.75 a foot but will use your own hangers, pick them up at a supply house for about 1/10 the price they are asking.
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12-30-2006, 01:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ARCS
I guess I never really thought of that being from northern MN. Here with the extreme temp changes winter low is approx -55 to summer high of about 105, vinyl just does not cut it for anything outside here.
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I take it that vinyl siding has problems there also? If so what do you folks use for siding, tin or wood? In my area our temps go from 0-100 +/- and so long as we gap products correctly there are not issues.
-55 Too cold for me!
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12-30-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by K_Tile
BRNDIVY
Which guard brand do you prefer?.
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I like plain old screen...
If 1.75 is your best price for a drop off, you really have no other choice but to take it..At least, get your hangers elsewhere. Even if you're not buying them in bulk, you should still be able to get them cheaper.
Last edited by BRNDIVY; 12-30-2006 at 09:40 AM.
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