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Old 07-03-2012, 01:27 PM   #1
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Just wrapped this up today. First time doing a vaulted hip ceiling with T&G. What a pain in the nuggets. It came out alright though.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:45 PM   #2
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Looks better than alright. The miters look like they line up well. The framing must have been nice and square and all in plane or else things could have gotten crazy.

Is that a plywood skin you nailed into?

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Looks better than alright. The miters look like they line up well. The framing must have been nice and square and all in plane or else things could have gotten crazy.

Is that a plywood skin you nailed into?
Yeah, I set the beams and trusses. You know how useless those hip jacks are as far as keeping them on layout. I ended up sheathing the bottom side because the hips were a little twisted, and I needed a flat plane with a straight hip line to run to. I was doing a lot of praying as well! :-) its a miracle that when I got to the top my last two pieces meeting in the ridge were within a light 1/8th in width. I also used copious amounts of PL poly adhesive to minimize movement.

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Looks great! This the cabana project?
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Thank you sir, and yes, it is.
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jesse looks great!, that vaulted on a lanai never seen that in sarasota, thats not a neal or morison house, i'm on sunset point doing a condo then on to lbk club and lido for a hotel 10 units
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Very clean looking...

work like that will keep you in the chips...
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jesse looks great!, that vaulted on a lanai never seen that in sarasota, thats not a neal or morison house, i'm on sunset point doing a condo then on to lbk club and lido for a hotel 10 units
Yeah, I've ran 10,000's of feet of this cypress T&G but never on a vaulted hip. It was a head scratcher for sure.

Not familiar with Neal or Morrison. Builders I assume?

Sounds like your staying pretty busy, remodels on LBK and Lido?
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Jesse you fancy sponsoring a british carpenter?? Would love to work on some of your jobs.
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never seen a hip ceiling like that.

seen a lot of bead board ceilings- heck, I have one myself under a hip roofed sunroom-but the ceiling is regretably flat.
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Jesse you fancy sponsoring a british carpenter?? Would love to work on some of your jobs.
Man, if these jobs weren't so few and far between I'd love to. I don't bother posting pics of all the nasty demo and boring jobs In between.
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Man, if these jobs weren't so few and far between I'd love to. I don't bother posting pics of all the nasty demo and boring jobs In between.
Keep doing wirk like this and im sure they wont be so few and far between, looks sweet.
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Nice to see that without a dumb inside corner moldings to cover sloppy joints.

I've done an octagonal vault like that. It is like running a dozen courses of crown molding with miters instead of copes and the measurements on each course are different. Those compound miters are fun.

Even with good scaffolding and a helper, it is a bunch of climbing up and down...

I prefer running each course all the way around, rather than running each face. I run a few courses, then check the distance to the ridge all the way around so I can adjust the way the stock lays in as I go. It also means you cut the long stock first and the cut offs can be used on the shorter courses toward the top.

Good work.

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Nice to see that without a dumb inside corner moldings to cover sloppy joints.

I've done an octagonal vault like that. It is like running a dozen courses of crown molding with miters instead of copes and the measurements on each course are different. Those compound miters are fun.

Even with good scaffolding and a helper, it is a bunch of climbing up and down...

I prefer running each course all the way around, rather than running each face. I run a few courses, then check the distance to the ridge all the way around so I can adjust the way the stock lays in as I go. It also means you cut the long stock first and the cut offs can be used on the shorter courses toward the top.

Good work.
Thanks. Yeah, lots of ups and downs is right! I contemplated going 1 course at a time all the way around. I ended up doing the two short sides first and when they both ended up with the apex of the "triangles" right at the ridge I knew I had my hip lines good to go. Then I ended up piecing two ends into my opposing miters and then running a middle piece that had two beveled lap joints. It was the only way I could get an accurate measurement.

I'd love to see pics of the octagonal one that you did!
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Keep doing wirk like this and im sure they wont be so few and far between, looks sweet.
Thanks. I feel blessed to work on some of the projects that come my way. It's few and far between because not everyone appreciates or sees the value in this type of work. Too many would rather use beadboard or trim pieces to cover the slop, like basswood mentioned, to save a buck and feel like they got a "similar" look.
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Hi Jesse,

There is usually a method to our madness. With your courses using varied length stock and more than one piece per long side it sounds like your method worked fine. Always interesting to discuss details though.

On the octagon, it just seems like you need good measurements... really what you need is one course fitting good and rather than measuring the next course, you make the bottom edge of the next course as long as the top edge of the course before... direct transfer marking (only measuring to refit).

I lock in several courses on the workbench, test fit, and then hold back the top course for setting up the cuts on the next few courses... repeat.

On this vault (done long ago... remember when the pastel pallet was all the rage). ...each piece ran from corner to corner.
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Hi Jesse,

There is usually a method to our madness. With your courses using varied length stock and more than one piece per long side it sounds like your method worked fine. Always interesting to discuss details though.

On the octagon, it just seems like you need good measurements... really what you need is one course fitting good and rather than measuring the next course, you make the bottom edge of the next course as long as the top edge of the course before... direct transfer marking (only measuring to refit).

I lock in several courses on the workbench, test fit, and then hold back the top course for setting up the cuts on the next few courses... repeat.

On this vault (done long ago... remember when the pastel pallet was all the rage). ...each piece ran from corner to corner.
Very nice! The method you listed is exactly what I did on my short sides. The reason I couldn't do it on the long sides is because they were 22' on the longest course. Also the miter was 43.5 degrees with a 14 degree bevel. So I had to piece the long sides because of the long length. Also, now that I think back. Because of the miter and bevel I wasnt able to fit the 4th piece in without the long points of the miter and bevel interfering with the two adjacent pieces that were installed. I tried back beveling but in order to take enough material out for it to slide in it removed some of the chamfer on the v groove and would create gaps in the hip line.

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