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Old 11-26-2017, 12:40 PM   #1
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I have some wainscoting I'm building and it doesn't have the normal cap. It has a 6" shelf that is about 1 1/2" down from the top, with a small cove on top as a final cap.

Here's a mock up of said wainscoting:


Now the problem with this setup is how to do an inside miter of the shelf. Since it gets attached to the wainscot from the rear with screws it makes it difficult to miter the shelf. You all know that there is rarely a 90º inside corner in construction, so you need to find the angle and adjust.

So the only way to do this it seems would be to temp mount the wainscot without the shelf attached and find the angles and cut them. then reattach the shelf and hope you get it perfect so the miters line up. Painful..

So I came up with a solution that will make the install go much easier without all the need for precision. Hopefully it flies with the HO.

Took a while to figure out how to do it. My first try was unsuccessful. I made a 7"x7" block put two 3/4"w x 1/2"d slots in it and then cut a 45º on the front and tried to cap that with a molding but the geometry wouldn't work, the coping was a pain and it would be hard to implement in the field.

The second try I cut the block down to 6 1/2" square, did the same slots but left the corner square. I glued a small 1/2" x 1/2"x 3/4"L block in the front corner of the groove which left the space for the 6" wide shelf. Then I cut some 1/8" x 3/32" x1/4"diameter bead and inserted and glued it in the space left by the cove of the shelf. Let that dry for an hour and then sanded and shaped it. All the testing was in Poplar, although I didn't glue the Poplar. Then I repeated it in the Sapele'



And here is how the shelf slides in. There is another slot for the other shelf to come in at 90º.





So now all I have to do is mount the wainscot with the shelf already attached and then the second pc of waiscot with the corner adapter attached just slides over the 1st shelf and you have the completed corner. Makes the install go easy and smooth. (I hope)
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Well, the corner worked great. Made something that would have been miserable (mitering) into something that was straight forward, easy and fast.

Here's the pool room wainscoting. I still need to do the rest of the room (straight walls). I'll be working on that this week. I went to some extra effort and made the large bead that surrounds the inside of the frame as a separate pc. I know how walls are and it worked out great. I pushed the bead frames up against the wall even if the wainscoting was proud because of undulation in the wall. Worked great.











And here is that inside corner with the shaped block. The HO loved it. Totally understood why I wanted to do it that way and was amazed at the small details inside the block.

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Nice job Leo.

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I like it a lot. It looks like it was done on purpose, not to solve a problem.



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Finished up the 2nd half. This one only has a normal shelf instead of the larger one.

Here's the bigger wainscot in the shop, 159 5/8" long.


The other half of the pool room






This one was the hardest to install. 21 5/8 on the top and 21 15/16 on the bottom, both sides tapered.

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Now I have 3 sheetrock posts to put the wainscot shelf on. I'll be using peel and stick Sapele' veneer from the top of the baseboard to the bottom of the surround and the essentially the top rail of the wainscoting. The shelf will be 4" wide going all around the post which is about 12 1/4" x 16 1/2".

I've made all the parts, but the veneer isn't getting here until Thursday. All the parts are built, sanded and stained right now.

I made these cute little brackets that will go under the shelf in the center of each one. More of a decorative look then support. But they will provide support anyway.

I made 12 of them, one for each flat of the post.



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I got the three post wraps done. More work than it looks like. Each one was fitted to a particular post as the size varied a bit among them. The design matches the wainscoting and the shelf will be at 42" like the shelf on the wainscoting.

There are the 4 sides. Each one has a vertical 3/8" full bead on one end and a flat on the other. The flats nest into the beaded end and form a nice invisible joint. Then I have the shelf that is in two parts. A "C" and an end.



The beaded parts will be screwed to the post inside the dado, making the attachment to the post invisible. Then the "C" will be slipped into the dado and then the end will be glued on using the biscuits.



It will be capped off with a cove molding, same as the wainscoting.



Here's the corbel brackets.



Under the post wrap will be a Sapele' veneer sheet glued to the post and then a Sapele' corner will be applied to cover each of the seams.
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That corner piece looks decorative and beautiful, the first pics I though it was going to look similar to those crown corners so you don't have to miter. Great job as always, that green is brutal.

What is peel and stick Sapele', how much, where do I get it? I could use something similar on an upcoming project.
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Unfortunately I couldn't get it with the peel and stick with the grain going the 4' way for whatever reason. If I get it with the grain going the 8' direction I can get it with the PSA adhesive applied to it.

I order it through Atlantic Plywood, not sure who they get it from. I will be using Liquid Nails and a comb spatula to spread it out evenly. They ordered the veneer knowing it didn't have the PSA and then had to give me a discount in order for me to accept it. What the heck. It's more work and materials on my end.
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The finish looks excellent.

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Did the install today. Took a lot longer than I expected, but things went smooth. Applying the glue to the veneers is what took the most time. I used Liquid Nails Panel as the adhesive. I applied it in a 3/8" bead across the width and then used a 3" plastic putty knife that I put 1/8" triangular notches in with my tablesaw. After spreading the glue I laid them on the post and used a J roller to flatten and spread the glue. Put up 4 of them and then taped the corners.

Then I put the shelf verticals with the dadoes on, two screws each into the corner studs and wrap around the post.




Then I slid the "C" shaped shelf into the dadoes.




Then put glue into the biscuit slots and on the end grain and a couple of clamps.




After that I cut the corner covers to size and applied a bead of Silicone Caulk to the two inside corners and then put them on the 4 corners of the post. Held them on with masking tape. After all 4 were applied I wrapped the post covered by the Sapele' veneer (and corners) with stretch wrap to hold everything in place.

After that I cut the miters on the cove and applied it to the top of the verticals.

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Looking good. A good place to get veneer is Oakwood Veneer if you're looking for standard sheets.
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Wow, they are expensive compared to what I paid.
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Beautiful work Leo... A true craftsmanship!

It's very, unfortunately, that we don't come across fine workmanship like this very often, not to mention you don't meet too many people nowadays who would appreciate the art of woodworking, or who understands what goes into it and people who're willing to spend the money for that beautiful work.

Keep on banging them out Leo!!!
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Should’ve brought a helper it would’ve made the job go easier
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It's very, unfortunately, that we don't come across fine workmanship like this very often, not to mention you don't meet too many people nowadays who would appreciate the art of woodworking, or who understands what goes into it and people who're willing to spend the money for that beautiful work.

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You are the man Leo!!! Love your work!!!

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