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Old 02-06-2009, 09:19 AM   #21
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Nice input guys thanks, a well balanced array of violence and sound reasoning.
I just love workin with a guy too, that does not wear a tool belt, but thinks you wear 20lbs of tools around your hips for the BOTH of you!!
The best to all of you!

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Old 02-06-2009, 03:04 PM   #22
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I had a guy that would take the tungsten and collets out of your tig torch if you weren't watching. Wouldn't walk across the shop to the cabinet. Wouldn't ask. Wouldn't say "oh, hey, I really needed yours." Just took someone else's if they weren't looking, and never said a word.

PS - that's the same guy that dumped a couple gallons of my passivation fluid (acid) into his gas tank, thinking it was gasoline. So I guess I got some satisfaction.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:13 PM   #23
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the same guy that dumped a couple gallons of my passivation fluid (acid) into his gas tank, thinking it was gasoline.
Ouch, I bet that left a mark.
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:21 PM   #24
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Ouch, I bet that left a mark.
It was in plastic gas can, but I had the can clearly marked in black sharpie that it wasn't fuel.

Funny thing was I fired him because he started not showing up for work. He said he was having car trouble.
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IF it doesn't impact your work/productivity and the person shows respect for your tools, I am inclined to let it go - who knows, you may need to borrow something of theirs.

However, I would be put off by the situation you described; 1. they didn't ask permission to hook into your compressor (I would call them on it) 2. repeatedly asking for your ladder when they obviously needed one more than just once or twice (after the second request I would have said "sorry I need it")

I was taught a very valuable lesson at a very young age when it comes to other's tools:

ALWAYS ask permission to borrow something that belongs to someone else and ALWAYS return the tool you borrowed in better working condition than when you borrowed it.
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It was in plastic gas can, but I had the can clearly marked in black sharpie that it wasn't fuel.

Funny thing was I fired him because he started not showing up for work. He said he was having car trouble.
Car trouble!
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:39 PM   #27
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Just a question, so when you are framing with your crew, yo uhave to bring your compressor, hoses, nail guns? All tools are supplied but hand tools with us. I cant imagine having 6 compressors running on site everyday. talk about leaving your carbon footprint! Ben
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Just a question, so when you are framing with your crew, yo uhave to bring your compressor, hoses, nail guns? All tools are supplied but hand tools with us. I cant imagine having 6 compressors running on site everyday. talk about leaving your carbon footprint! Ben
So then you must be an Employee?? Or the GC supplies all your power tools to the Subs?? Where do i sign up???
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Sure im an employee. what's wrong with that? It just seems different that you dont provide tools for your crew, other than hand tools. Do you hire your employees as subs?
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Sure im an employee. what's wrong with that? It just seems different that you dont provide tools for your crew, other than hand tools. Do you hire your employees as subs?
Wo wait, nothing wrong with that!
I am a sub for a Construction management firm right now, and that firm hires help sometimes, and that was who i posted about using my stuff. We are all sole proprietors.
So i supply all my own tools and insurance etc.
The guy had his own trailer with him too, so thats what chapped my A$#!
So if you don't have to worry about anyone wearing down your stuff to an excessive degree,when they could be using their own, good for you
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Just a question, so when you are framing with your crew, yo uhave to bring your compressor, hoses, nail guns? All tools are supplied but hand tools with us. I cant imagine having 6 compressors running on site everyday. talk about leaving your carbon footprint! Ben
Most framers whether they are subs or employee's will have their own tools, and most of them prefer to do piece work as they can usually make more money.

If a framer showed up and didn't have his own tools, I would be concerned that he either wasn't in it very long or he had a drug problem and his tools were in the pawn shop.

On my commercial job I am hiring most guys as strictly employees and I will provide all of the tools except basic hand tools, and if they abuse the tools or lose them, the cost will be deducted from their pay.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:16 PM   #32
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See post # 10. I dont think I can improve on it.
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:41 PM   #33
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I buy and bring all my own tools b/c it is professional and I am able to work faster and more accurate with my own stuff. Hand tool items I would by if I had to borrow it during the prior day, and or, I knew I was going to need it. Large tools...I would save up and get them as well. I hate borrowing tools....HATE it.
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Old 02-07-2009, 04:05 PM   #34
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yeah ive got my own tools too. But why am I going to bring my own when My boss pays me to drive a van with saws nailguns hoses compressor ladders levels, etc, for us as employees to use. I bring my belt hammer and what ever I carry in that and that is it. I dont get to negotiate tool maintaince into my hourly wage.
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if I work hourly for someone...I charge for my tool use.
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I have 2 1" chisels that I use for belt chisels. I use one until it gets dull, then switch out for the other one, and when that one gets dull, I sharpen both and and repeat. Anyways, I had just switched chisels and had a nice sharp chisel in my belt. A coworker asked to borrow it, since he needed a second chisel to slip in somewhere for prying, which I would consider to be a reasonable request. Anyways, he was shocked that I would have a sharp chisel- In his own words- "why does a framer need a sharp chisel" But then, all of a sudden, he started borrowing my chisel when he needed a chisel that was actually sharp. I sure gave him a lot of crap for that.
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If a new guy comes on the job, Tee's off into YOUR compressor and started framing, and his hose leaks like a sieve? OR asks you all day to borrow your 6' step ladder when he has two on his rack in the driveway?? Most of my life i've been a passive guy, but anymore..... Nah i can't do it! Unreasonable??
I would tell him that for "liability reasons" - that you don't let anyone use your tools - what if he fell off your ladder, shot a nail through his hand or cut a finger off with your saw?
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yeah ive got my own tools too. But why am I going to bring my own when My boss pays me to drive a van with saws nailguns hoses compressor ladders levels, etc, for us as employees to use. I bring my belt hammer and what ever I carry in that and that is it. I dont get to negotiate tool maintaince into my hourly wage.
Ok, well i what i was originally posting about does not include your situation.
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So what's the skinny? Did you set him straight or continue letting him get away with what ever he wanted to
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To avoid confrontation.....I'd make friendly jokes about it.

Poke fun at his crappy hose.

Then go screw his wife.
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