Pine And Others For Exterior Trim

415moto

Anyone have any beef or opinion with using pine or other similar softwood for exterior trim, woodwork or other outside fascia type cladding?

Generally we go for PS or redwood for the most part, sometimes vinyl trim for outside work. But now and then a HO will want to use pine (cheaper ). We back prime the wood as well, and nail 'er up. With exterior paint and full coating, ya'll think its good, bad, same?

Bradracer18

In my opinion, and I don't have much experience here......but I don't like wood showing, for one it always needs attention(paint,etc)....and especially pine seems to rot out.


I like, as you said vinyl or steel wrapped wood....

joasis

It has been done this way for a hundred years....and if given maintenance, like painting when needed, will last a hundred I am sure. Pine is never my first choice for trim, but it is done all the time on less expensive homes.

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Mr. D

i think you should be just fine. I've pulled apart rotten cedar almost as many times as i have rotten pine. maintenance is the key.

Bradracer18

yes maintenance.......but, unless that is what they want......then do it a better way......which requires basically no maintenance.

415moto

(above the PS meant to say PT, as in pressure treated)

I figure we frame houses all the time with doug fir and often theyre exposed to rain and nature, with only paint to protect it (eaves, soffits, etc)..and they do OK for the most part.

Paint and coverage really is the key to longevity aint it. Ive seen so many houses were we pull stuff apart and often the portions left to neglect and no paint are the areas that failed and rotted.

Teetorbilt

Cedar will outlast pine 3 to 1 for exterior trim HERE.

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cmwacasey

for what it is worth in texas.i have learned that cedar post grown in west texas last substantially longer than post grown in the east.as a side note, post on this website last longer than???----??????help me out i am not sure.

Downeast

Pine trim is used most all of the time here on Cape Cod . On all homes rich and poor. Some will use cedar. Allot of it is pre primed now.

dougchips

PFJ is popular around here, it comes primed, people never paint it and the joints show. I have been quilty of writing on the trim "needs to be painted or it will fall apart" and showing the customer.

Downeast

Fortunatly its not finger jointed yet. 1x3 may be, but not the larger stock.

dougchips

HD and LWes sell 1x4,5,6,8,10 in 16' lengths, you have to pick through it some of the joints are real visible.

Downeast

Thanks I wasn't aware that they were. Local lumber yards are still good.

gregg9375

I have been using APP (Advantage Pine Prime) for the past 14 years. The product is finger jointed and primed all four sides. When properly installed and kept away from the dirt it will last a very long time. Wood is a renewable source, plastic is not.

TBFGhost

Finger joint Pine is fine for exterior use IF its rated for exterior use.
There is a difference between it and normal PFJ. IIRC the exterior stuff is treated with something to resist rot and insects.

I won't use any PFJ other then WindsorOne Plus Protected.... Go to the windsor one site and they will tell you the difference between WindsorOne and Plus Protected. You also have to do more then just back prime. You MUST MUST MUST prime ALL six sides...that means front, back, top, bottom and end cuts. But that goes for any wood trim.

I have seen boards where there was no end priming and ones where they were. The ones without primer on all six sides started to crack and check 1 year later, the others looked brand new still.

WarnerConstInc.

cypress if you please

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loneframer

Don't forget Miratec as an option.

I've seen it used on several homes along the coast with great results.

http://www.miratectrim.com/

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LEVELBEST

Miratec sure looks like it would fall apart if it gets wet, but it doesn't seem to bother it at all. I've had some stacks of Miratec lay in a driveway for several weeks, uncovered and during several rains, and it looked like it had just been delivered the day I installed it.

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loneframer

The first time I saw it, I thought it was simply a Masonite type product. The difference is the resins used in the manufacturing process. I've gone back to jobs that were 4-5 years old and the material was solid on the end cuts, as well as the edges.

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gregg9375

You are right the cut ends need to be primed in order to protect the wood. Some have told me that regular paint will work, not true. Primer is a seal and is not pores like regular paint. APP is an exterior product. If the exterior for the home is to be stained, then I would go with ceder not redwood. I have also used Plywood Lam, and Harty Plank.