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Old 01-09-2018, 07:56 PM   #1
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Have a bit of an unusual one.
1 Ύ” flush/flat panel exterior door that leads to a attached garage. But it is a 2/4 or 28” wood prehung exterior door that was a custom job done 20 years ago. Solid core and stained birch veneer.
Need to change this so it will match the rest of the interior room doors. Or at least one side.
The rest are the standard 6 panel hollow core raised grain doors.
None of my suppy houses can even order one. So my options:
1. Found just one place on line I can get a 6 panel pine custom at 28” and 1 /34 thick. But cons are will be smooth instead of the texture when painted. And not much of insulation factor. Is just a garage but maybe temp difference will cause movement in the panels? And then the price for custom and shipping just one door is pretty high, but not a big issuse.

2. Pretty sure I can get just a skin from my local dealer for a interior 28” door. Then just glue the skin to the existing door. Would of course have to use a router and remove some wood on the door where the boarder of the panels would stick in. Just need one side. Don’t think the added thickness of the skin would be noticeable,


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Why can't you get steel?

Try ThermaTru

Check your local inspector for a rating requirement.

No room to open that up for a wider door?

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Why can't you get steel?

Try ThermaTru

Check your local inspector for a rating requirement.

No room to open that up for a wider door?
Have not been able to find a steel 28" 6 panel.

Walls on each side and other problems like recessed stairs. So not option for wider door.
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Use the original door and with the right combination of router bits make your own raised panels to match the other doors in the house. Simple jigs would make all your cuts straight. I would just do the inside of the door leaving the garage side flat.

I love that kind of stuff!!
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You can get a 28" solid core raised panel door at any box store Here Is 1from HD
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Since when has matching an exterior door to the interior doors been a priority? I just don't see the issue.
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Since when has matching an exterior door to the interior doors been a priority? I just don't see the issue.
Some people concerned with details, the majority asked to have a garage door to be matched with the interior doors.

That being said 2/4 raised panel solid core fire-rated 1 3/4" door was available.
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Use the original door and with the right combination of router bits make your own raised panels to match the other doors in the house. Simple jigs would make all your cuts straight. I would just do the inside of the door leaving the garage side flat.

I love that kind of stuff!!
Veneer is only about 1/16". No telling what is inside that. MDF? Is pretty heavy.
The advantage of the skin is the woodgrain matching texture and would not have to worry about what type of wood is on the inside.

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You can get a 28" solid core raised panel door at any box store Here Is 1from HD

That is only 1 3/8" interior door. I had thought about that. Adding 3/8 plywood to one side as another option. To fit in the prehung weatherstripped frame. Concern was mounting the hardware
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That is only 1 3/8" interior door. I had thought about that. Adding 3/8 plywood to one side as another option. To fit in the prehung weatherstripped frame. Concern was mounting the hardware
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You can get a 28" solid core raised panel door at any box store Here Is 1from HD
That is only an interior door, which I would not use between the house and garage , no weather seals or threshold seal, only 3/4" jamb material.
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You want me to read it for you also?
Yes, could have pointed that out.
I would have assumed that applied to the steel doors. Especially after talking to 3 of the largest lumber yards I deal with.

But did call Masonite and looks like they make a fire rated model not listed. And all fire rated ones are 1 3/4'

So way to much time trying to figure this out and looks like a good solution.

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That is only an interior door, which I would not use between the house and garage , no weather seals or threshold seal, only 3/4" jamb material.
I have the same set up in my house... I have all solid core doors throughout and the type of the door I used, to match it had to be a fire-rated interior door.
I ordered the door pre-hung with weatherstrip molding instead of typical door-stop molding and I installed the bottom weather sill separately. 15 years and everything is nice and tight no issues what-so-ever.

P.S If I would need this complete setup, I wouldn't have a problem getting this prehung in a frame, because as long as you can get the door you need, it can be mounted in any frame from the manufacturer.
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Just placed an order for just the door. Already was in a good exterior weatherstripped frame.

Seems the sales guys at the lumber yard just did not even know the fire rated doors were thicker at 1 3/4"

So they checked and I got just what I needed. Just 3 weeks to order. But at 116.00 much cheaper than I expected.

I paid close to that for the last batch of solid core interior doors at the standard 1 3/8 non fire rated.
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I have the same set up in my house... I have all solid core doors throughout and the type of the door I used, to match it had to be a fire-rated interior door.
I ordered the door pre-hung with weatherstrip molding instead of typical door-stop molding and I installed the bottom weather sill separately. 15 years and everything is nice and tight no issues what-so-ever.

P.S If I would need this complete setup, I wouldn't have a problem getting this prehung in a frame, because as long as you can get the door you need, it can be mounted in any frame from the manufacturer.

Very true. As long as one know what you need , pretty much can get any thing you want from a door shop , or if really want can build it like you did.
Just a little hard going to HD and doing that.
I just put one in , but I did a 36 with a custom jamb of 5 1/2". Did a steel door because it matched the other entry doors.
Side question- would a solid door with no seals meet fire wall code that is needed in a door between house and garage?
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Side question- would a solid door with no seals meet fire wall code that is needed in a door between house and garage?
Yes.
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Yes.
Would it need the Fire rating stamp on it.
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Would it need the Fire rating stamp on it.
Answered my own question, just a 20 min rating.
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Many people look at the garage wall as a fire-rated-assembly.

If you look at the code the wall is listed as a dwelling-garage-separation.

There is a big difference between one and the other and to provide that separation between the garage and the living space is very simple.

Look IRC 2015 302.6 Dwelling-garage fire separation.

If you look at the code requirement "From the residence and attics Not less than 1/2" sheetrock or equivalent applied to the garage side" and "From habitable rooms above the garage Not less than 5/8" Type X gypsum board or equivalent"

Now the next stage would be R302.9.1 Flame spread index.
Wall and ceiling finishes shall have a flame spread index of not greater than 200.

If you look at exception to the rule it tells you that:

Flame spread index requirements for finishes shall not apply to trim defined as picture molds, chair rails, baseboards and handrails; to doors and windows or their frames; or to materials that
are less than 1/28inch (0.91 mm) in thickness cemented to the surface of walls or ceilings if these materials exhibit flame spread index values not greater than those of paper of this thickness cemented to
a noncombustible backing.


That said when it comes to the doors to meet fire-separation requirement that has to be a solid wood door not less than 1 3/8" a solid or honeycomb steel door also not less than 1 3/8", or you need to have fire rated door which has a manufacturer fire rating stamped on the door.

This why in this case I pointed out 1 3/4" thick solid wood raised panel
door which needs to be fire rated by the manufacturer... because if you get a pain-in-the-ass inspector who might say this door is not in compliance because the thickness at the recessed portions in the panels will not meet min 1 3/8" thickness required for separation. (which I doubt this be the case where someone would pick that up) But as the jamb and weather--stripping goes around you will be perfectly fine with regular weatherstripping.

I hope that explains fire-separation vs. fire-rated assembly a little better.

P.S By the way, the doors require weatherstripping around is to prevent gases or cold, etc from being drawn into the house, especially now when you have to meet energy efficiency standards.
If you remember in the old days all you need it is a 4" step-up and weather seal wasn't a requirement because gases are heavy and flow along floor bottom.

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