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Old 07-07-2008, 06:57 PM   #1
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The other day I was asked if I was a Master carpenter or if I was certified. I told them no. I knew I had more experience than the project called for and was able to easily convince them of that.
My question, is there any importance to being a so called master carpenter or certified?
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:04 PM   #2
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My wife says I'm certifiable....

Being certified usually means you have taken a class(es) and passed tests in doing or working with certain materials or procedures.

Being a master carpenter is a tough thing. You must know just about everything about building. From proper technique in nailing to making a complex roofing system without the help from references. Usually 20+ years of experience is required.

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22 years. I wonder how the certification committee views experience? It was explained to me that the five different types of carpentry were:
1. framing
2. form work which would include concrete castings, both decorative and structural
3. furniture
4. interior and exterior residential and commercial trim
5. cabinetry
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I wished that I had worked for a Master Carpenter over the years. I work for myself now, but I would have learned so much more with a MC. Unfortunately, every general contractor/ carpenter I ever worked for was either a con-artist or couldn't do good bids & went belly up.
I can't do good bids myself so I charge by the hour.
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This is taken from an interview with Norm Abram.

Quote:Kevin started the show by saying "it is a term that's thrown around loosely, but today we thought we would try to get to the heart of the definition and who better to help us then our very own master craftsman, Norm Abram". Kevin then asked Norm, "What's a master craftsman and how do you define it". Norms reply, "It's not a classification or position, it's really a level of craft that you aspire to. You start out as an apprentice, then you become a journeyman and eventually the master. Now once you're a master craftsman you now have the ability to teach the next wave of apprentices and journeyman (pause) keeps the craft and tradition alive".

So there you have it, though there is no official "master craftsman" certification for what Norm does, that's how Norm defines his status as a master crafsman.
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I thought Bob Vila was the only true master carpenter?
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This is taken from an interview with Norm Abram.

Quote:Kevin started the show by saying "it is a term that's thrown around loosely, but today we thought we would try to get to the heart of the definition and who better to help us then our very own master craftsman, Norm Abram". Kevin then asked Norm, "What's a master craftsman and how do you define it". Norms reply, "It's not a classification or position, it's really a level of craft that you aspire to. You start out as an apprentice, then you become a journeyman and eventually the master. Now once you're a master craftsman you now have the ability to teach the next wave of apprentices and journeyman (pause) keeps the craft and tradition alive".

So there you have it, though there is no official "master craftsman" certification for what Norm does, that's how Norm defines his status as a master crafsman.

Heeeeyyyyy, that makes me a master craftsman.
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I have 6 children, so that makes me a master babymaker!
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I have 6 children, so that makes me a master babymaker!
Errrrr, not unless you teach the craft.
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Errrrr, not unless you teach the craft.
dont think the Mrs would appreciate that
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I'm a master debater and cunning linguist.

saying master carpenter IMO doesn't mean ****. Carpenter is just too general of a term. Framer, finish, flooring, siding......all have their specialties. I don't go around saying I'm a master framer.

If you want to look at it in a broad sense, I think most people who call themselves master.....whatever...is something like 7 years or 10 years.

Maybe you just like being called "master", making you feel important. Not my gig, I already know where I stand and where most everyone else does in my field
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I second that, master debater...Want to get a room?

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Probably a power trip. They want to feel important. I have been a framer, trim man, siding man, painter, roofer and so on for over 20 years and I can honestly say that even though I have learned a lot over the years from older and sometimes younger people, I do not know it all, so how can I say I am master anything? Anyone who says they know it all is full of BS!
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I second that, master bater...Want to get a room?
Sounds personal
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I am pretty sure master carpenter is a union thing. I hired a master carpenter once and he wasn't worth a damn. This guy was scary. I sent him to cut plates and I thought he was going to cut off his pecker. Then I sent him to build headers, so he nails one side, stands the header up on edge and starts shooting towards himself. I had to let him go. It was a good thing I brought my check book that day.
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Everyone's a master handyman on CL "they do it all"
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This was posted in a thread awhile back:



I'm pretty sure the guy who made this was a Master.

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I thought a "Master Carpenter" could do everything to build a structure, including plumbing and electrical. At least, I thought that was how it used to be.
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ChrWright - that box truly must belong to a master carpenter. I see that as being essentially priceless. To know how to efficiently use every tool in there is a wealth of knowledge rarely seen these days. We take technology for granted sometimes. Picture having electricity knocked out for some unkown reason (and no backup), and then you break out that box and keep on gettin' it (but slower, obviously). Swweeeeeet.
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I have over 30 years as a carpenter, plus I'm certified.
My business card says Master Carpenter. When I think about it I remember all the guys I've met who were better than me, but not better at everything.
I have had plenty of apprentices and one went on to become head of the carpentry department at the U of M. This person called me once and thanked me for sharing what I knew.
Am I a Master Carpenter? Well I'm not an apprentice or journeyman. At my best, yes, on a bad day, I'm not. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

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