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Old 07-05-2017, 12:59 PM   #1
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Making A Shed Door From Hardi Board


A client wants me to re-build a shed door, she wants me to use all hardi board , I am including picture below. It will be 5/16 hardi sheet with 1x4 hardi trim. Since hardi isn't going to take screws very well the only alternative I can see is using through bolts such as carriage bolts and maybe liquid nails.

I was curious if anyone else has done this and how it turned out, I can suggest using the hardi sheet but using treated 1 x 4's instead for the ease of screwing and unexposed screw heads (unlike carriage bolts)

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Hardie isn't really structural or doesn't have enough structural integrity for a door, IMHO. It's a 'cladding' .... I'd lean toward 3/4" plywood for structure and clad it with all the hardie it takes to make the homeowner happy.

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Not quite sure I understand why they want to use hardie for that application but if that's what they really want, and you can't change their mind, you might want to be sure to roundover the edge and be crystal clear on the material limitations/applications...

No warranty for that one...

Just trying to picture a door with the word "Hardibacker" on it...

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Well, she wants hardi board because I am also replacing other rotted places and it is that Masonite crap that swells and falls apart when it gets wet, (I have never understood why builders would even use it, other than $) and I am replacing the siding sheets and trim boards with hardi.

I think I will talk her into letting me use treated plywood and treated 1 x 4's for the door, I am with you guys, I don't think Hardi would last long before the screw holes started wallering out and fall apart.
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Well, she wants hardi board because I am also replacing other rotted places and it is that Masonite crap that swells and falls apart when it gets wet, (I have never understood why builders would even use it, other than $) and I am replacing the siding sheets and trim boards with hardi.

I think I will talk her into letting me use treated plywood and treated 1 x 4's for the door, I am with you guys, I don't think Hardi would last long before the screw holes started wallering out and fall apart.
Why use treated wood ?.
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Why use treated wood ?.
She wants something that will not rot out like the existing, I have ruled out hardi, treated is the next best and it isn't very much more than regular paint grade wood. Why not use treated?
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She wants something that will not rot out like the existing, I have ruled out hardi, treated is the next best and it isn't very much more than regular paint grade wood. Why not use treated?
I have yet to see treated wood that does not shrink or warp or both and as this is a door thats the last thing i would want.
So the question is why all ext doors are not made useing pressure treaterd wood ?, we know the answer becuase pretty soon the door clearance would be awful, if you still had clearance in the Jamb.
Whats wrong with cedar and paint you can paint that straight away, pressure treated wood still rots and you have to wait to paint that.
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Just use plywood, otherwise You will end up doing it twice. Hardi is heavy and won't last a year without a proper sheathing (plywood) behind it. An alternative is to frame it out with 2x4 spaced no more than 24'' OC.

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I built two shed doors a few years back. Use 3/8" plywood and then covered it with 4x8 sheet of cement board. Got it from Menards,never paid attention to the brand. Worked great !
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I have yet to see treated wood that does not shrink or warp or both and as this is a door thats the last thing i would want.
So the question is why all ext doors are not made useing pressure treaterd wood ?, we know the answer becuase pretty soon the door clearance would be awful, if you still had clearance in the Jamb.
Whats wrong with cedar and paint you can paint that straight away, pressure treated wood still rots and you have to wait to paint that.
Oh yeah it shrinks and bows, if real wet you don't even need to space deck boards as they will shrink a gap inbetween. I would definately weight them down to dry before cutting them. Nothing wrong with cedar I have a Cedar Supply house right close, love it. Just trying to satisfy the customer, she said she doesn't want to go back with the same stuff because it is rotting - Masonite cardboard siding and pine boards Made it pretty clear as a matter of fact I will add using treated plywood and cedar, thanks.
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She wants something that will not rot out like the existing, I have ruled out hardi, treated is the next best and it isn't very much more than regular paint grade wood. Why not use treated?

I never understand the fascination with hardi board.

Smartside 4 x 8 sheets are much easier to work with. If you have the time. Just give her a small piece of hardi and smartside. Have her put them underwater in a bucket for a couple of weeks.
Once she sees the hardy delaminating and how much better the smartside looks, she will want you to use the smartside.
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I built a set of double doors like this about 15 years ago for a shed. I used 1/2" Azek sheet and some Azek 1x4. They have held up perfectly.

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did that with a 5/16" sheet that overlapped the frame (2x4 on the flat). I screwed the hardie onto the frame with SS fasteners by drilling and countersinking (drilled).

it's a rock solid door.
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I never understand the fascination with hardi board.
It's that piece of hardi in water on the counter. It'll never deform nor swell....

and a nod to my Bro from GA
Or CA/NV
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Well I decided and talked them into using the LP Smart side and Smart trim, I used liquid nails glue the trim to the siding just for added strength, can you tell I prime the ends of boards after I cut them I also put regular 1 x 4's about 6 inches long on the backside where the hinges screw in so I could use longer screws for the hinges.

It turned out good, they love it. Thanks for the opinions.

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It's that piece of hardi in water on the counter. It'll never deform nor swell....

and a nod to my Bro from GA
Or CA/NV
Or OR, OR
Or TX
Love and Hooches baby

You can even goggle Hardi siding Delamination
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I don't know why my pics aren't showing up, here is the link to the pic I tried to add in my last post. Funny thing is that on my very first post in this thread, at the top, my picture shows up, smh.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zaxjLR1lyaLChIXp1
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I know what I was doing wrong, I was trying to insert the URL instead of just uploading the picture, I will try again here. Here it is back in place but not painted yet.

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I`ve got 2 of those on my shed. almost the same design.
and I`m embarrassed to say I should have known better ,
it was a lousy choice of materials .
on a windy day one of the doors slammed open hard .
the hardy-backer broke off. its kind of brittle . its water proof , but doesn`t really take a beating well.
I`d go with a good pine or cypress "t&g" , and then put your cross members to keep it straight , and racked.
glued and screwed with deck-screws .
if your worried about rot, paint it with " wood-life" preservative before you paint it.
just make sure you PAINT THE BOTTOM !!

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