|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
|
|
#1 |
|
Illusion of Perfection
Trade: Carpenter
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Douglassville, PA
Posts: 2,619
|
HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
I (reluctantly) do work for a customer who owns a few rental properties (that he rents to local college students).
Most of the time it is drywall repair, window replacement, etc, etc. Get a call today that the bathroom door needs replacing, go and size it up, the jamb is broke, HD is around the corner, so I go pick up a pre-hung off the shelf. I install it like I do all pre-hungs, and when it is said and done, there is barely a 1/8" reveal between the door and strike. I check with a square and see there is no bevel on either door edge. So, I have to remove the door, route a 3 degree bevel on each edge, rehinge, re-set strike and install. Now, I must say it has been a long time since I purchased a HD door, but is this no reveal/edge bevel something new? Did I get a bad door? The tag claims it is Jeld-Wen...uncertain if I could buy the same door at a lumber yard. Anyone encounter this before? |
|
|
|
|
|
#2 |
|
Curmudgeon
Trade: carpentry/remodeling/"Yes M'am we do"
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Beech Grove, Indiana, Birthplace of the "King of Cool"
Posts: 11,707
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
Every box store door I've had
the misfortune to encounter has been so for a couple of years now. Apparently some bean counters have decided to save a few pennies a door and just let us do it if those doors ever really needed a bevel anyway.
__________________
Put your location in your profile! (Sorry....it seems there really are dumb questions) |
|
|
|
|
|
#3 |
|
Member
Trade: Kitchen and Bath remodeling
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 75
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
I bought a bunch of slab doors from HD a few months ago. To go along with these, I had a few "quality" doors that I came across from other jobs. As you said, the HD doors had no bevel and were noticably lighter in weight. But the biggest problem was they were made exactly to size. Meaning a 30" door was exactly 30 inches. So I had to plane down each door to fit. My quality doors had a bevel, were about 1/4" smaller and fit perfectly in the jam. But at $19 each, I'd go back to HD again.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#4 |
|
topsail's trimcat
Trade: finish Carpenter/ renovations
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: ns, canada
Posts: 3,248
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
ive had this problem with the masonite brand prehung doors among many other problems with the masonites... hinges not gained to proper depth, header too short for the door to close properly,, header too long so that the latch bolt wont catch the striker plate when its closed....
ive found the jeldwens much better to work with of the ones ive hung although lately been making my own jambs more often
__________________
putting down subfloor with glue and screws, well i saw dr. smith and the robot too , i had a martian burger and a sonic shake |
|
|
|
|
|
#5 |
|
Pro
Trade: Construction and Remodeling
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,528
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
I have had the same problem with the HD prehungs. There is a door/millwork shop a couple miles from me, so I always try to get everything I can from them. I have used doors from the depot or lowes. What I hate is the doors from lowes the stops are not movable and are always set to tight! Also the doors from both places are never put together right. And the preprimed jambs have a sorta coating on them, that if you have to cheisel the lock mortise or something like that, the coating chips like cheap crap!
Dave |
|
|
|
|
|
#6 | |
|
Illusion of Perfection
Trade: Carpenter
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Douglassville, PA
Posts: 2,619
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core DoorsQuote:
I just was amazed at how crappy the whole unit was compared to one from my supplier. I also agree about the jambs having a coating, almost like a plastic-paint. It doesn't gouge like wood, it chips, and if you cut the jamb to length, you can see the coating is like 1/8" thick...very weird. Think that is just another strike against HD. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#7 |
|
Member
Trade: General Contractor, Woodworker
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 67
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
And, even at $19/door... they cost too much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#8 |
|
framing/millwork supplier
Trade: interior & exterior trim, window and door installs
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: georgia
Posts: 132
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
you get what you pay for ...if you pay 19.00 per door ..well you get a 19.00 door...why do you think the big boxes do that ??..because their business is geared towards Joe Homeowner not the "professional"...and when you need that chisel or plane and all the other extras to make the door work ....they will sock it to them....so how much does the 19.00 dollar door cost...
lets break it down...your a professional and say your rate is 45.00 door = 19.00 1/2 hr labor @ 22.50 to make door work gas and travel and time in general = 55.00 ... 10.00 for gas and 1 hr of time @ 45.00 that door cost you 96.50 now this is just to get the 19.00 door ready to install...you still havent installed it.. Above scenario is hypothetical and your situation maybe different ..point is buy local ....my company would have sold that door for about 35.00 and if you give me your prep locations my door shop would prep it for 15.00 ...delivered it to you for 19.95 = 69.95 and its ready prepped and all....you just hang it |
|
|
|
|
|
#9 |
|
Pro
Trade: LI,NY designer, new homes, renovation work, concre
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,426
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
The rumor has always been that the big box stores deal in SECONDS. I have also noticed a lesser quality when dealing with HD doors. Come to think of it, around here pre hung doors in general have declined in quality over the last 10 years.G
__________________
|
|
|
|
| The Following User Says Thank You to genecarp For This Useful Post: | CookeCarpentry (10-10-2009) |
|
|
#10 |
|
Lack Of All Trades
Trade: Professional handyman services
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Southeast Michigan
Posts: 1,230
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
I agree with Gene. the quality of doors have gone down over the years. But, just try installing some of big box bi-fold closet doors. They are the worst! They always seem to go off track, and we are always repairing them to fit back up. It must be that weak MDF bullcrap they build them with.
|
|
|
|
| The Following User Says Thank You to Darwin For This Useful Post: | Tom Struble (01-15-2010) |
|
|
#11 |
|
Pro
Trade: Electrician and Remodeler
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 127
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
Don't even talk about those dam bi-folds. I installed 4 in a home recently and not one of the four had a straight edge. I got them installed but fought them the entire time. I'll be damned if I ever install a HD or Lowes bi-fold again, unless I need the money, then we all know how that goes....
|
|
|
|
|
|
#12 |
|
Jeff
Trade: master turd burglar
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bradford PA
Posts: 1,109
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
Was it one of those reversable doors where you can change the swing by moving the top jamb to the bottom? If so ive always had trouble with those things fitting like crap. Its like they always make the top jamb 1/4" to narrow and no matter what you do the door drags at the top corner. If you do get lucky and it operates right the strike is always off 1/2" one way or the other.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#13 |
|
Motorboatin' son of a ...
Trade: General Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,069
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
Those pre-hung doors at home cheapo are junk. I've even had the screws pull out after installation.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#14 |
|
Builder/Remodeler
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
I'm as big a snob for craftsmanship as the rest of you, but I would have probably just 'persuaded' the jamb a little and called it a day. You don't put nice stuff in a rental--it's just going to get torn up anyway.
I commend you for going the extra mile to do the job right.
__________________
![]() Christopher Wright, CR: President @ WrightWorks, LLC/President @ Central Indiana NARI, Named to the 2010 REMODELING Big50 www.WrightWorks.net - Facebook - Twitter - Carmel Remodeling Indianapolis Kitchen Remodeling Contractor - You Can Get There From Here |
|
|
|
| The Following User Says Thank You to ChrWright For This Useful Post: | CookeCarpentry (10-12-2009) |
|
|
#15 | |
|
Chief Toilet Mover
Trade: Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Littleton, Colorado
Posts: 14,078
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core DoorsQuote:
Then just apply 3-4 tubes of caulk. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#16 | |
|
Builder/Remodeler
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core DoorsQuote:
__________________
![]() Christopher Wright, CR: President @ WrightWorks, LLC/President @ Central Indiana NARI, Named to the 2010 REMODELING Big50 www.WrightWorks.net - Facebook - Twitter - Carmel Remodeling Indianapolis Kitchen Remodeling Contractor - You Can Get There From Here |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#17 |
|
Chief Toilet Mover
Trade: Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Littleton, Colorado
Posts: 14,078
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors
Of course.
It has ground up rebar in it. |
|
|
|
|
|
#18 |
|
Project Manager/Carpenter
Trade: Carpentry/Reno
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lebanon, NJ
Posts: 3,267
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core Doors |
|
|
|
|
|
#19 | |
|
Pro
Trade: Construction and Remodeling
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,528
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core DoorsQuote:
I know what you mean cook, I hate the depot and lowes with a passion. But its a tough call, most of the local suppliers closed. So for a lot of stuff its either drive 14 miles or 4 miles for some stuff I just can't justify the drive. Also picking up sruff at night for the next day is nice sometimes too. You just got to go after 830 or so, all the stupid home owners are mostly gone ![]() Dave |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#20 | |
|
Jeff
Trade: master turd burglar
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Bradford PA
Posts: 1,109
|
Re: HD Pre-Hung Hollow Core DoorsQuote:
|
|
|
|
|
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|
| Go to Page... |
