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Paul Burns

Yes, most are treated just like any hourly employee.

Lately, we have started usings subs also. Lately meaning he last few years.

Paul
p.s Loved your post about the what the future holds!

theworx

P Construction, just curious, are the guys you are hiring young (say early twenty's). Wondering because there seems to be a real problem happening in both the States and Canada. The young people don't seem to have a clue what a work ethic is and don't realize that sometimes you have to break a sweat to make a living. All I know is that most of us Forty year olds (or older) on this forum are still willing to jump on a jackhammer or sling drywall to get the job done. Young guys these days have been pampered too much and don't realize what a hard day of work is (although there are exceptions - so don't jump on me you young guys who have a clue) !!!

The GC I work for has supplied me helpers from his Business Furniture division and I've gone through about twenty guys before I found two that were actually willing to carry drywall or help me dispose of demolition debris (most of the others found an excuse to cut the day short). The one guy just wants the hours and the other actually wants to learn about the renovation/building aspect of the business and he's my favourite as far as helpers (he's always asking questions and wants to learn and has a great attitude)... A guy like that I'm willing to teach and appreciate him for his efforts to learn and work hard... They seem few and far between these days!!!

P construction

Yes they are young
with the same attitude that most are saying already to go in the interveiw set ready to go. Quote me if i am wrong but i feel these guys after one week of hard work out in the blazing heat with water brack as needed, the reality of (work ) sinks in and that is the issue and the problem

PainterPaul

Paul,

Sorry, I could have worded that differently. I think the reason it came out that way is because of the context of the thread, which is more or less: “can’t find any good help these days”.

I have nothing against Hispanics who work hard. I have nothing against people who hire Hispanics… so long as they are legal that is. And they don’t have to be illegal to charge a little less and work harder, either.

The subject of illegal workers is another, very charged matter and people (myself included) get emotional. So I apologize.

Paul

theworx

They also don't seem to have the respect to even inform you that they will not show up or just don't show up for work one day and you never see them again??? That's like us signing a contract to do a job for a customer and schedule a start date (after they've taken the time and picked you over three other contractors) and you don't show up or at least call. It makes me a bit nervous as to where our future lies with the good attitudes and ethics many young people lack these days.

RobertCDF

Well I can see one upside to the lazy young generation we have right now... They wont be your competition. Now once the old guys that dont "need a license" "or insurance" "I have 900 years experiance" die off we will be able to raise our prices even more.

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George Z

[QUOTE=theworx]P Construction, just curious, are the guys you are hiring young (say early twenty's). Wondering because there seems to be a real problem happening in both the States and Canada. The young people don't seem to have a clue what a work ethic is and don't realize that sometimes you have to break a sweat to make a living. All I know is that most of us Forty year olds (or older) on this forum are still willing to jump on a jackhammer or sling drywall to get the job done. Young guys these days have been pampered too much and don't realize what a hard day of work is (although there are exceptions - so don't jump on me you young guys who have a clue) !!!




When we were their age we used to walk to work 20 miles (uphill)
while carrying the tools in our backs in freezing temperatures....

I have no problem with young workers.
Our crew leader just "ate another job for breakfast"
The customer is ecstatic and indicated so in her completion form.
The job came in 30% under budget.
She is almost 23 and I will take her over any old crusty painters (like I was).
As far as I know, that woman gets her keys to the business.
Her youth and her crew is driving my business.

Young people these days...

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Paul Burns

If this is directed at me, thank you! Real men apologize, admit when they are wrong, and even cry sometimes. Oh, and I will even have a quiche from time to time.

Thanks again,
Paul

supercrew

Good thread to rant on.... i also think the 20somthing generation lacks in the work ethic field...i started with this NEW company with 7 "laborers/wannabes" to train all 20ish white male americans...the lack of motivation, inability to retain knowledge, failure to follow instructions and the lack of respect they give makes my hope for our future fade a little everyday....

guy #1....week 2 "still" building exterior walls on a cutup custom. i see "joe" completely nailing down the second sheet of obs on the wall. i ask "u square that" he says (like its some kinda game)"no"......im like WTF joe, this is ur 3rd wall today and the 3rd time ive had to make sure you squared it...rip it off....joe doesnt take constuctive critisism well...joes gone...

guy #2....i needed 2 boards, each a different lenght....8 cuts and 1,237 acorns on this tree later, i get my boards...moe just carries boards now...

guy #3......buildin a baby gable on the ground....larry nails the lookouts on....3/4-2" off the x on the sister truss...larry why did you even bother to put the x there????

curly and shemp are smart...just lazy with a lackadaisical additude...

laural and hardy got sent to the concrete crew...

i have no experience with illegals nor do i want any....but i did once watch a crew of 7 mexican/??? roofers shingle a 3,000 sq/ft house in 7+ hours....(all gabled)....no breaks and a 20 minute lunch which they heated over a can of sturno

BTW...all great opinions here and the GF says shes tired of hearin mine to go tell someone else...

and to set matters straight....supercrew refers to the f-150 i drive...

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bevs

Thats why I work alone. I don't make real big money, like some of you guys say you do, but I don't have all the problems either. I paid good too. Even picked one guy up at home, and dropped him off in the evening. Called in sick to often. Some people just do not want to all work the time. Bookkeeping is a lot less complicated too. To each his own. As far as the other part of this forum, If I said what I felt, I'm sure it would be edited!

PainterPaul

Paul Burns,

Yes… directed specifically to you.

Thank you for the cordial responses.

Bradracer18

What do you guys consider paying well.......I am 21, and used to frame for a while.......I work very hard.....am proud of my work(don't like to do it the wrong way....or the "fast way", if you know what i mean)....I'm an old farm boy, so I know how to hurry and how to work hard......I'm also pretty smart, and pick up on things.....I was the one laying out walls for the houses with the foreman(after a month of working there, and having no prior experience)......and, I was getting paid 9 bucks an hr.....no benifits, not even OT.......just wondering if I was getting short changed or what......

Double-A

Yep, not paying overtime is illegal for hourly employees. You not only were getting short-changed, but you were being robbed.

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Bradracer18

ah thats a bummer.......yah I was hourly......I mean we worked probably 10-12hr days......all week.....for months......darn......

Double-A

Send him a thank-you note. Folks like that ought to know when they've been busted.

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ProPaints

Sounds like your working family members to me.

parkway2328

Hire a union contractor. Total pay and benefits = $72.00/hr and the job gets done right the first time

bevs

Thats a big Amen parkway