Employees

P construction

What the f@*^ is wrong with help
I swear some peaple don't want to do hands on labor
6 peaple in 4 months.
It's getting worst do peaple agree , I pay well not hard on them I just don't know
Some think the grass is greener on the other side
They don't see the behind the sceens what it takes to run a company
but they think you don't work being the boss you just talk and drive from site to site and put the tool pouch on for 7 hrs instead of 9 we'll they don't see for those 2 hrs your running & dealing with things like a chicken with your head cut off.

Just really Pissed off today got to vent

please join the frustration

Gordo

Breathe in .....out......in.......ahhhh. It will be ok.

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joasis

Welcome to the real world....I am still 2 guys short, and I also pay well...

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mdshunk

So, why exactly are they leaving? Do you conduct an exit interview, either formally or informally? If you don't know exactly, you're going to continue to spin your wheels.

maj

Then quit hiring midgets!

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JPV123

Don't get me started on this. I don't get a chance for an exit interview because they just disappear. I never hear from them again. Here today gone tomorrow. I've had guys disappear and leave their tools. Some worked for a day or two then disappeared and never called to get paid (free labor). I pay well, I'm a nice guy, willing to give bonuses on certian jobs, I'm not to hard on them, and I'm flexible (to a point). They have a great opportunity since I'm a new company. Paid holidays, paid vacation after 6 months which I never had to give due to them leaving b4 6 months. I'm sure if we all had the right guys we could really build this business and make alot of $$$. It me up!!!

JPV123

And another thing:

WHY DON'T THEY F@%&$NG CALL?? I never hear from them. At least call and tell me you quit. Then again maybe they are in jail or dead. Actually one guy did call. His first day he calls me to tell me his babysitter just arrived and he is leaving now (8am). I told him I will go to the supply house and pick up a few things then meet him on the job. Wow nice boss. first day late and the boss understands. well, I'm still waiting for him to show up. It's been about a month. I don't even bother calling them any more.

Paul Burns

Do you have, and do you hire Hispanics? When we moved in that direction around 1994 or so, it changed our business for the better, BIG time, and has helped us as much as any single thing that we have ever done, or changed.
We still hire all other races, including white Americans, but they almost NEVER last more than a few days, just like you are talking about.
With Hispanics it is just the opposite. They DEMAND work, and the only way they leave is if you don't treat them right, or you don't have enough work. It was a GREAT turnaround from the previous 12 years or so and ging through EXACTLY the same headaches that you describe.

Paul
p.s. A giant roofing salesman (biggest in the ocuntry I believe) told me last year that 98% of the roofs being install ed America today are done by Hispanic labor. I think the same will be, or already is in most other trades. They are already a big force in the painting and drywall trades, which I am most familiar with.

mdshunk

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RobertCDF

Is this your $2,500 secret? Everyone knows they work well for a lesser pay, even the legal ones work for less pay than they are worth. HOWEVER of all the ones I have worked with in previos jobs NONE even came close to having an eye for the quality I demand.

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mdshunk

Maybe that's the secret? To become really successful, you need to cut your standards. I dunno... just thinking out loud.

Tom R

Contractors who hire illegals should be EXECUTED . . .

Paul Burns

Every person on every job gets paid exactly what they are WORTH regardless of race, religion, etc.. To date our highest one weeks pay was to ONE hispanic painter who EARNED $2300.00

That's basically how I job cost anymore. If the painters checks aren't for 1000.00 each or so, we probably have a problem. If they are, no problems, all gravy.

Paul

Brushslingers

Have his SS number on file? Is it the same as the other 5 you have on file? Gads.

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RobertCDF

No problem paying based upon the job and performace. In fact the best way of paying I think. Then you know EXACTLY what yours costs are. HOWEVER when given this kind of pay scale some people will just blow and go and it looks like crap. My work is impecable. I have personally inspected MANY other deck contractors work in my area. Usually with them present. I have not seen the same quality that I produce yet. (And these guys charge more than me. But that is due to the excesive advertising they do) I have worked with enough others in previous jobs (ALL races) and I have seen time and time again "close enough" "Cant see it from my house" and like. This is not ok and would get you tossed right away if you worked for me. Getting people that have the same eye for detail is very hard. I know only one... and that is my brother but he is on a framing crew right now that pays him more than I can pay him. So I cant steal him yet.

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PainterPaul

P construction, and others,

4 in 6 months… For what it’s worth, people are leaving for a reason. Blaming the employee is going to wind you up broke. Also, whether or not they see or understand what it takes to run a business is irrelevant to the extreme. Said in another way, your employees are a reflection of you.

Whatever the circumstances, you and you alone create your present and future, and whatever happens good or bad in your business, it is directly related to you and no one else. Either take the time to train these people yourself and let them know they are part of a team, or start working alone or get into another business.

As to hiring Hispanics because the average American isn’t capable… again, a huge window into the bosses attitude.

Paul Burns

I agree with MOST everything you say. I would recommend the book Gung Ho as far as employees go and how to handle them and your whole company.

I did not say that Americans are not capable. I stated that we hire ALL races, creeds, colors, etc, and from EXPERIENCE, Hispanics have PROVEN to be the best to date. That is data after 30 years!

We have STACKS/100's of testimonials with the painters names on each individual job. It is EASY to see WHO or where the painters origins are from.

Paul

Debookkeeper

Just curious - do you w-2 these guys and take out appropriate withholding taxes or 1099?

dougchips

I would add my 2 cents however I just added another person to my terminated file today. I am going to have to buy cheaper Employee folders or re-use them after a while.

Gordo

I had a guy last summer do the same thing.

All gun-ho during the interview, then no show.

I stopped trying to figure it out. JUST TAKE CARE OF YOUR GOOD ONES and they will take care of you.

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