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Old 12-25-2017, 09:59 PM   #1
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Need to ask a question about pricing. Is it ok to ask here or should it be in business section. I've searched and can't find where to ask.


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Old 12-25-2017, 10:44 PM   #2
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Need to ask a question about pricing. Is it ok to ask here or should it be in business section. I've searched and can't find where to ask.


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Pricing questions are frowned upon in any section.

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Figure how many hours it will take, what your material cost will be, and what your markup is. It's that easy.

What's your question? We can't answer cost questions though.
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Was just wondering how most price their jobs. I've always done it by time and material. When dad retired last year, he gave me his tools, and he helps when I get in a bind and don't know how to do something, but he absolutely refuses to talk money. As most folks do.

I've read about folks pricing per box, I don't do any standard stuff so I don't think that would work for me.

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I go through the job in my head, counting up estimated hours (I'm always short) and then figure my material cost. The last two I quoted, I added a 10% markup at the end of the normal T&M. I may actually make a profit on these ones...
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I may actually make a profit on these ones...
Now that is funny....

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Best way to make a million bucks at this is to start with two, right?

Travis, what part of Va are you in?

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Now that is funny....

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Hey now. You said 60 hours should work...

Or were you talking about 60 of your hours vs mine?
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Best way to make a million bucks at this is to start with two, right?

Travis, what part of Va are you in?

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Estimate the numbers of hours you'll need, the material cost, usual costs you have, and your markup. It may be hard the first time to make an estimate, but when you repeat the process several times, it will be easier.
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It's a shame that your Dad won't help you with pricing. It can be one of the hardest parts of the job to get right. Is he afraid that you'll figure out how much he under paid you? I'd water board him until he talks.
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I use a formula. Probably going to price you out of a job though. $15.50 lineal inch. $100 per door, $100 per dovetail drawer with Blum soft close slides, $35 per small slab drawer front. Then figure out what you need for finishing.
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He helps, and will give me pointers to a degree but as he gets older. The more generous he gets with doing work cheaper. We have lots of repeat clients and they and I have become used to what I need and what they can/will pay.

It's the new customers that I'm unsure with. I don't wanna overprice, and I don't wanna underprice and make the trade look bad. Nothing I hate more than hearing "so and so said he could do it for this" When I know the CORRECT materials will cost that much. So I don't wanna be that guy, if that makes any sense.
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I use a formula. Probably going to price you out of a job though. $15.50 lineal inch. $100 per door, $100 per dovetail drawer with Blum soft close slides, $35 per small slab drawer front. Then figure out what you need for finishing.
I'm guessing that non plain slab doors and drawer fronts go up by the amount of time and material it takes to make them?


Thanks again fellas, the help is greatly appreciated.

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you probably won't get any pointers on pricing here.

sit down with a pencil and paper and calculate the time it takes to do the job. include every aspect from picking up materials, building, finishing, installing and getting rid of debris. Do the same for materials, draw out the cabinets and estimate the number of sheets of plywood, throw in some $ for fasteners, add finish costs (stain/paint) and then add a little on top of that because it goes over.

When I started out a long time ago it was difficult trying to figure out how to price projects but I used this method and began to adjust my numbers when I saw the shortfall. For instance, running debris to the dump takes longer than dropping it off at a dumpster. Picking up plywood from the supply house that sells the better quality stuff at 7:30 in the morning adds 25 minutes to the commute-that gets added to the quote.

As you track your projects compile a 'post mortem' on each job where you tally the number of hours you put into the project and the materials charged for then run the numbers to determine how much over/under you were .
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Austin, That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm glad to know I'm doing something correct and that will work.

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He helps, and will give me pointers to a degree but as he gets older. The more generous he gets with doing work cheaper. We have lots of repeat clients and they and I have become used to what I need and what they can/will pay.

It's the new customers that I'm unsure with. I don't wanna overprice, and I don't wanna underprice and make the trade look bad. Nothing I hate more than hearing "so and so said he could do it for this" When I know the CORRECT materials will cost that much. So I don't wanna be that guy, if that makes any sense.
That was for 5 pc doors. I upcharge for 5 pc drawer fronts. Down charge for slab doors usually. Unless it's an expensive species. Plus larger doors, drawer fronts and drawer boxes get upcharged.
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In your "free"time, build some typical cabinets for sales samples or use in your own home..... in front of a video camera(s) with a clock timer...

Hire a grunt to sand and clean shop....

X minutes- hours for range of box size, add ons for unusual ratios of wall to width, skinny cabinets might actually cost more per unit BECAUSE of difficult to reach innards...etc... large cabinets greater stile sizes and helpers to handle weight....

Wood premiums, finishes, hardware up grades, cheap hardware, but expensive/time consuming to install properly....

Material waste and disposal costs.

A relatively simple linear equation in excel spreadsheet format should speed the the bid/ estimating process and produce a bill of materials for purchasing, maybe even cut sheets for plywood and veneer products with a little pro programmer help.

Over head, chatty Kathys? Can't decide till you built one sample nutters, tire kickers, I'll just get some big box boxes.....

I'd shop some big cabinets prices every year as the Pinto level prices and add % to each major up grade you have on your offerings.

Spend more hours improving your BUSINESS knowledge to a "Journeyman" level, than you are improving your cabinet building...

If you DON'T make $$$ you cant build and sell quality products made with pride long term.

Very few people can own, and operate a efficient ONE man cabinet.
factory.

Take field trips to high volume box builders for shop set techniques.

Any text on production manufacturing will teach you some money makings ideas.

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There's way to many freaking variables when it comes to custom building anything ! Throw $30k-40k at them and watch how they react.

Then throw them Homo Depot pre-built prices.

What's up with your Dad ? You piss him off or something. Why wouldn't he help you?????

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