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Old 05-08-2009, 08:09 PM   #41
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These are my codes.
Figure this out?

"Indiana Building Code: (675-IAC-13 IBC)
Based on: 2006 International Building Code (1st printing) with Indiana Amendments,
Effective June 16, 2008.

Indiana Residential Code: (75-IAC-14 OTFDC)
Based on: 2003 International Residential Code (5th printing) with Indiana Amendments,
Effective April 5, 2008.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:13 PM   #42
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I just want to get the idiot
to buy her a pump, and let
the washer drain into the sewer
like it used to.
Every body was happy before
this guy got there.
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The most you will get done is the air gap required,
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The most you will get done is the air gap required,
What I think of as a stand pipe
(Like a washing machine hose
hooks into)
is different from an air gap, how?
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It is not a laundry, this is no different then a trap under a sink used as a indirect waste receptor, indirect waste does not need a stand pipe, it just needs a airgap. Why not just call a plumbing inspector and ask him, he will be happy to tell you what you can do and not do.
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It is not a laundry, this is no different then a trap under a sink used as a indirect waste receptor, indirect waste does not need a stand pipe, it just needs a airgap. Why not just call a plumbing inspector and ask him, he will be happy to tell you what you can do and not do.

They would be happy for me
to bring pix down to the
City-County Building and
stand around half a day.
Answer questions over the phone?

Maybe the guy will pony up
for a pump out of the goodness
of his heart.
I don't see why she should
have to pay a plumber to come
fix this crap.

BTW: This wasn't some
back of the truck heat guy....
one of the oldest and biggest
in town.
So much for reputation.
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I just want to get the idiot
to buy her a pump, and let
the washer drain into the sewer
like it used to.
Every body was happy before
this guy got there.
Having a fixture that is on an above gound shared waste line that terminates below the spill line of the rest of the fixtures is not allowed, you either have to raise the termination point of the fixture, in this case the condensate drain, or you have to isolate the fixture from the rest of the fixtures served on the branch. And Ron is correct, that particular fixture is illegaly vented.
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Having a fixture that is on an above gound shared waste line that terminates below the spill line of the rest of the fixtures is not allowed, you either have to raise the termination point of the fixture, in this case the condensate drain, or you have to isolate the fixture from the rest of the fixtures served on the branch. And Ron is correct, that particular fixture is illegaly vented.
I know that.
That's how it started out.
The HVAC guy chopped it down
and added the 2X3.
But I can't raise it back
unless there is a pump.

Sorry, I must not be making
this very clear.
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Would still love to hear who the co. is that did the work. I have a feeling I won't be surprised when I hear who it was.
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Would still love to hear who the co. is that did the work. I have a feeling I won't be surprised when I hear who it was.
Will gladly post the name
if he doesn't do right.
Mean time, it would be like
a wide place where water flows
over rocks.
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Here is the catch, code will only allow up to 24" on any tailpiece, so if you could raise the tail piece it still will not be higher then the upper end fixture
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Will gladly post the name
if he doesn't do right.
Mean time, it would be like
a wide place where water flows
over rocks.
Yes... I do catch the hint... My office is in the same wide, water 'rippling' part of town.

and no, I'm not surprised at the work.
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Here is the catch, code will only allow up to 24" on any tailpiece, so if you could raise the tail piece it still will not be higher then the upper end fixture
Which would be the rim
of the laundry sink,or
the top of the washer drain?
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Top of the washer standpipe, or rim of sink.
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Yes... I do catch the hint... My office is in the same wide, water 'rippling' part of town.

and no, I'm not surprised at the work.
I wish she'd asked me first.
At this point, she does too.
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Now even if a code is adopted, state and local officials can amend to the code, they can add but never take away from the code, they can make things stricter but never less then what is in the code.
I think that's what I was [trying, anyway] saying, and I think Neo's info backs me up.

When this year's code comes out, my AHJ has the option of adopting it or not. It is totally up to them whether they want to, or to continue with the older regs already in place, or to keep the older regs and add only some of the new regs. Along with anything they care to dream up on their own.

That's a good part of what makes them an Authority rather than just another enforcement drone.

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I am actually interested in how your situation comes out.
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Top of the washer standpipe.
Thanks.
That might be possible.
That thing is farther from
the floor than it looks.
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I think that's what I was [trying, anyway] saying, and I think Neo's info backs me up.

When this year's code comes out, my AHJ has the option of adopting it or not. It is totally up to them whether they want to, or to continue with the older regs already in place, or to keep the older regs and add only some of the new regs. Along with anything they care to dream up on their own.

That's a good part of what makes them an Authority rather than just another enforcement drone.

Neo: Apologies for the hijack. RBS got me all fired up for a wacky weekend marathon.

I am actually interested in how your situation comes out.
I like new codes, I wish all states would adopt the latest greatest codes put into place, it is sad that that never happens.
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I think that's what I was [trying, anyway] saying, and I think Neo's info backs me up.

When this year's code comes out, my AHJ has the option of adopting it or not. It is totally up to them whether they want to, or to continue with the older regs already in place, or to keep the older regs and add only some of the new regs. Along with anything they care to dream up on their own.

That's a good part of what makes them an Authority rather than just another enforcement drone.

Neo: Apologies for the hijack. RBS got me all fired up for a wacky weekend marathon.

I am actually interested in how your situation comes out.
I only wish they would just adopt new.
All of the patches and pieces make
it a nightmare.
The new Building Code is so much
nicer without the (literally) 1000
loose pages of addenda.
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I know that.
That's how it started out.
The HVAC guy chopped it down
and added the 2X3.
But I can't raise it back
unless there is a pump.

Sorry, I must not be making
this very clear.
You're not making it clear to the HVAC company that their technician created a code violation when he altered the plumbing system of the house without having a license to do so, and his created code violation is now a health hazard to the homeowner's family. Follow this bit of information up by informing the HVAC co. that if they are unwilling to correct the situation you will get the state's Board of Health as well as the E.P.A involved until the problem is resolved. The E.P.A. has the power to revoke their business license until their investigation is complete.
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