I Need Help Quoting Primed Walls - Any One Please???

ScipioAfricanus

Look Cecy, we are having a little bit of fun at your expense yes, but you want us to give you a figure that we can not possibly know.

We don't know what your overhead consists of or how much you need to make or your expenses for the material or if you will hire actual experienced workers or some drug addled crack-heads to get the job done.

Pricing is just too specific to the individual doing the job. We can't possibly know what the right price is so you "don't over charge" or "look too cheep".

Now after this little "how much should "I" charge?" party is over come on back and post an introduction telling us about yourself. Being a woman you willget lots of good advice from the great apes of this site (as long as there are no more pricing questions).

This really is a great site with a good group of men and women...well, Rotarex is a little weird (just kidding brother) who are willing to help.

Andy.

strathd

Rotarex is a little weird

He's amish ! Or will be soon ?

RCPainting

Cecy,
Before you post anymore, please spend some time reading other threads and then post in the intro thread and tell us about yourself.
You will see that pricing questions are not what this forum is about. There are a lot of great people here that will be glad to help you with anything else!
It has nothing to do with you being a woman, there are several of us here and I can say that I have never been treated different because of gender.


Well, maybe one time, btw, anyone seen wisepainter?

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naptown CR

Allright this is a topic for another post that could be amusing.


Cecy what about these questions and responses are not appropriate to the creating of a quote. Don't you need to know all this information. I know the answers to these questions in my instance but not yours. We cannot help you without the answers to these.

If you know what it takes than you have the tools to create a quote and don't need us. Lood at the various posts of all the people here and you will find that 1: we all have a love for the various trades 2: we will willingly share secrets and tips to help each other. 3: We cannot possibly help with pricing questions because of regional differences in labor materials etc remember this is a forum with members that are all over the world. 4: Nothing gives us more pleasure than flaming a "how much question". Cponsider yourself the evenings entertainment and if you stick around long enough you will probably derive some pleasure from the same thing at some point. As far as attacking you as a woman that was not my intention. I did however point out that you may be a woman. I have worded with and for a number of women and find that they are many times better business people, managers and craftswomen than many men. there was no disrespect intended. ( The comment was well into cocktail hour on a Friday night) Lastly the pink font. It is just really hard to read on the light blue background that's all.

By the way welcome to the site we look forward to your particular insight on how you do things to learn from another tradeswoman

ModernStyle

They let women paint ? WTF ......... like the illegals werent bad enough ... now I gotta deal with this too ........ I am going back to school to become a male nurse .... screw this........





Dont hurt me RC, I am kidding ..........






the illegals aint so bad..........

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ModernStyle

Maybe that is where WisePainter went, maybe he is on a different forum now and known as WiseHooker.

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DavidNTX

Here is how you can figure the price for priming walls.

Let's use $100 a gallon for your material price (just to keep it simple) and $100 per manhour for a painter (just to keep it simple)
These numbers will need to be replaced with your own.

Primer $100.00 per gallon covers 300 SF

Add to this YOUR material markups both overhead and profit and a waste factor. This is how I figure markups on material.

Material X 10% material overhead - the cost of you ordering materials, picking them up, delivery etc.

Material X 15% material profit - your profit markup on material

Material X 3% waste factor - this is application specific

That would be $100 X 10% = 10
and $100 X 15% = 15
and $100 X 3% = 3
material sales tax amount goes here - not included in this example
plus your material cost $100.00

Material selling price $128.00

Primer will cover 300 SF per gallon so your material cost for primed walls would be $128 / 300 = .426

Now we will do the same thing with labor.

Labor $100.00 per hour

Labor X 75% labor overhead - all of the costs associated with YOUR business. Insurance, offices, trucks, taxes, office supplies etc.

Labor X 33% labor profit - YOUR profit markup on labor

That would be $100 X 75% = 75
and $100 X 33% = 33
labor sales tax amount goes here - not included in this example
plus the labor cost $100.00

Labor selling price = $208.00
My painter will install primer on my job at a rate of 450 SF per manhour so 208 / 450 = .462

Material price per SF = .426
+ Labor price per SF = .462
Total to prime gyp walls = .888 or 89 cents a square foot

These numbers do not include any sales tax either. The need to charge sales tax is job AND state specific. I did figure waste of material which is application method specific. This would be about 3% if you are brushing and rolling or 10% if you are spraying. This is added to the material price only.

All of these numbers are ficticious and should not be used in your price.
To figure your own then you need the following information.

YOUR price for primer
YOUR price for labor
YOUR material marhkups (both overhead and profit)
YOUR labor markups (both overhead and profit)
YOUR material waste as per application method
The number of SF per manhour that YOUR painter can cover with primer on YOUR particular job.
The sales tax requirements for the job you are estimating AND the Sate where the work is being done.

This number of SF per manhour can vary even using the same painter. This number is job specific. Example: If the job you are looking at will allow you to prime gyp walls before the ceiling goes in then there will be no cut in or brush work at the ceiling line. If the ceiling has to be cut in with a brush then your production rate falls off by about 50%. I would normally use 600 SF per manhour for priming walls on a commercial job if the walls are rolled only or 300 SF per manhour if they have to be cut in and rolled. I used 450 in this example which is halfway in between.

As you can see there are many variables that are specific to your company (material prices, labor rates, overhead and profit) and many variables that are job specific (production rate, sales tax requirements) and at least 1 that is state specific (sales tax). Due to this variance it is impossible for someone to give you a unit price that you can use with any confidence without knowing a lot of details about your business, the job and your state.

The ability for someone to give you a unit price to use without ALL of the above information would be akin to someone asking you how much you will charge to paint their house sight unseen in another state. It can't be done with any proficiency. Any prices that anyone gives you can not be accurate for your business or for a specific job without them first knowing ALL of these details.

By using this outline you should be able to plug in all of your own data to come up with a unit price of your own for each and every job that you bid.



I used to use unit pricing years ago and for the most part it worked okay but if you really want to know the job you are bidding then you should figure labor and material for a specific job so you will truly understand the requirements needed BEFORE the job is bid.


This approach can also be figured like this

Total number of SF to be primed / 300 (sf per gallon of primer) = material gallons

Total number of SF to be primed / 450 (sf per manhour) = total labour hours

First

multiply the material gallon X your watse factor to get the total number of gallons needed

Multiply total gallons X material price ($100) = Material cost

Multiply YOUR material cost by YOUR material overhead and YOUR material profit as shown above to get your total material selling price.

Next

Multiply total labor hours X labor rate ($100) = Labor cost
Multiple YOUR labor cost by YOUR labor overhead and YOUR labor profit as shown above to get your total labor selling price

Total material selling price + Total labor selling price = Total job selling price.

Don't forget to add sales taxes where needed.

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mark stevens

out in montana it is .25 per sq ft of wall space for some painters

Kuba

I'll give you a price if you give us pics of the job being done in daisy dukes!