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Old 03-05-2011, 10:34 AM   #1
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Anybody else put their pan former on the roof? Just a few pix of one I started this week. Only got one panel in due to not working a full day. The pictures are in no particular order, nor did I preview them.Pan Forming-panforming-copper.jpg

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Last pic. I start all my metal roofs with an anchor panel located on a penetration. It eliminates corners, soldering, and potential leak areas that plague other roofers. I've been using these pan formers for 20+ years.
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Here's an important detail. In picture # 3, you can see, if you look closely, two chalk lines. A 3" swatch has already been cut off for 73". I'm about to cut along the near line to remove 5" form the second portion of the pan. I'll use the 'upper' line to bend a 4" leg to go along the dormer wall. There will be a 2" leg for the rest of the way. When folded below the dormer corner, it will fold over the inner panel in front of the dormer.
The cleats are in reverse of where they will eventually be. Both adjoining panels will be the male 1-1/2" leg and as the double lock seam is formed, they will be locked into the 1-1/2" seam.
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Though not shown, the outer leg of my anchor panel is flush with the rafter tails. There will be no seam below the valley. The finished panel is 11" wide. Most of the others will be 16-1/2" wide.
I also form my steel panels roofs this way, though it takes longer.
The break in the roof is box folded, not cut. No caulk, no solder.
It's only 40 degrees. The cleats are spcaed off the panels about 1/8" -3/16" so they can expand freely when the temps hit 98 around here. There won't be any space there then. This alone can add 20+ years to the life of a roof because there will not be any oilcanning or pinching of the panels. This is VERY important no matter what metal is used. The panels can last as long as a flat piece of metal lying on a bench, or in the yard.
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Nice work Frank.

We do most of our bending in the shop. Therefore relegated to max. 10' panels unless renting a former or purchasing from a fabricator.
I myself would feel better putting flat seam on that lower section, but I'm sure the 1 1/2 folded seam is just as water tight.
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It's not as flat as it looks Dennis. About 3/12. I tore the tin roof off becasue the owner got tired of painting it. I had installed it about 20 years ago. No leaks or other issues before. I'm looking, but can't pix of the original tin I installed there.
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Panels on this roof will be 23'.
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Boy, this thread brings back some memories. It's been probably 20 years since I laid one like that. We do all our forming in the shop now, as well.

I've never done copper in longer than 10' lengths, but I've laid a lot of terne like that. Keep the pics coming.
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Some of the nails showed rust on the heads, but they probably got wet before installation. No trace of rust on the pans, or in the seams. As you can see, I like planks for underlay.
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Boy, this thread brings back some memories. It's been probably 20 years since I laid one like that. We do all our forming in the shop now, as well.

I've never done copper in longer than 10' lengths, but I've laid a lot of terne like that. Keep the pics coming.
Later maybe. Got to run now. Carry on without me guys!.
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Thanks for posting pics, love to see more.

I have an old place on church hill with a terne roof, love the old stuff.

You working in northside? See lots of stucco in the pics.
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Northside and WestEnd. Too many tire kickers in ChurchHill. I have a few in Jackson Ward, and one I did in about 1500 blk. of Brook.
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I forgot. Lakeside, Blvd, and Byrd Park area too,
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It all came together behind the fascia and drip edge, with the lock strip even with the DE.
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Crappy solder job, Sievert wouldn't get above 'Low' setting, it was cool and windy. Appears to be a good bond though since I pretinned the strip and the panel.
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Here it is with the valley in. The red line is about 1/2" past the lock strip so I know where the panels are supposed to end.
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Nice Work Frank!
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yes thanks tinner for shedding more light on the curved transition
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It's still coming along. Work one day, take 2-3 off due to rainy weather.
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