1100 Sq Foot Antara Patio - Page 2 - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

mattk1895 · 01-13-2006, 07:20 PM

[quote=NasConst_land]Yes we put 1 inch of mason sand on the concrete areas. QUOTE]

Question, why did you use sand on the concrete? Why did you not just glue the outside border of the concrete and just fill the inlay with poly. That would have saved you a ton of time. Just a thougt. Is there a reason for the sand on the concrete? I just never heard of that type of application.

NasConst_land · 01-14-2006, 04:14 PM

The reason was the concrete had a huge amount of fall on it.. over 2 inches actually.. and it all fell toward the middle where there was a square cut out of the concrete.. for drainage. well we extended the patio 6 feet past the concrete as well so had to make our base there.. so we covered the whole thing in sand.. so we could make our own fall. 2 inches of fall for a brick patio is just way way to much expecially over that small of a distance. We were going to rip the concrete up, but the homeowner didnt want that because of the cost. The concrete was in fine shape, but doesnt mean it wont heave or crack in the years to come and cause problems with the patio. That was the homeowners decision I would of rather torn it all up and started from nothing. It was alot of work, cause thats alot of sand, and alot of time correct someone elses fall that had been used on the concrete.

Might not of been the right way to do it, but heck im young, i learn something new on every job we do, and ive made plenty of mistakes and had to fix them as we were doing the job. I guess thats what you get being young though. You live and learn as you go, and the time that you dont want to learn anything anymore, is the time you need to get out of business. Thanks for Looking

Steve

mattk1895 · 01-14-2006, 10:50 PM

I'm not so sure your wrong. With that type of slope, ecspecially with the slope towards the middle. How wide was the patio for that type of slope. 2", probably what 12' wide? Don't worry, I learn new things every day and I am not so young. I have been in the business for over 10 years now and I learn every day. Anyway, the patio looks good.

NasConst_land · 01-15-2006, 02:44 AM

The Concrete sections i think were 28'x'28 But with the square cut out of the middle made it about 14 feet away from the house.. it had dropped 2 inches.. and the same coming from the other way. It was weird just seemed like too much. Works out now though. And thanks, hopefully we can do some more patios like that.. they are fun to make look good.. a little 10x12 never looks as good as something that large.

drafto · 01-17-2006, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NasConst_land

The reason was the concrete had a huge amount of fall on it.. over 2 inches actually.. and it all fell toward the middle where there was a square cut out of the concrete.. for drainage. well we extended the patio 6 feet past the concrete as well so had to make our base there.. so we covered the whole thing in sand.. so we could make our own fall. 2 inches of fall for a brick patio is just way way to much expecially over that small of a distance. We were going to rip the concrete up, but the homeowner didnt want that because of the cost. The concrete was in fine shape, but doesnt mean it wont heave or crack in the years to come and cause problems with the patio. That was the homeowners decision I would of rather torn it all up and started from nothing. It was alot of work, cause thats alot of sand, and alot of time correct someone elses fall that had been used on the concrete.

Might not of been the right way to do it, but heck im young, i learn something new on every job we do, and ive made plenty of mistakes and had to fix them as we were doing the job. I guess thats what you get being young though. You live and learn as you go, and the time that you dont want to learn anything anymore, is the time you need to get out of business. Thanks for Looking

Steve

Did you use any separation fabric between anything? Under the modified? I would imagine in a little while you will start to the outline of that concrete showing up through the pavers. The job looks nice, but I hope you gave the homeowners a warranty against sinking or settling b/c they will need it.

Dan

mattk1895 · 01-17-2006, 08:49 PM

Dan,
If the he used geotextile and had proper compaction on the base material, he will be fine. I have done dozens of overlays that extend out past the concrete and have had no problem. These projects have been in the ground for over 5 years (some of them) and look as good as new. If he did not use sep. fabric, then he will have some issues.

NasConst_land · 01-19-2006, 11:07 AM

We used fabric under the patio itself so around the edges agaisnt the house we didnt loose our base in the seperation in the concrete from the house, and also for the seperation from existing concrete and new area of patio beyond it. Also we used the fabric in the construction of the steps, I think thats pretty much common practice anymore. Thanks again guys

strongfloors · 02-19-2007, 08:02 AM

I want one.