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tomstruble · 11-20-2009, 01:15 AM

anybody been watching this on the history channel?

ive always been fascinated with this time period the 30's-50's

i love the architecture the tools and machinery of this time period

i sometimes wish i was around back then

but then i realize im not that hard of a man

God bless the men that were

Bone Saw · 11-20-2009, 02:01 AM

dammit, i thought there was going to be a link or you tube video of some sort of riot or melee at the orange slut

SC sawdaddy · 11-20-2009, 08:41 AM

I've been catching it here and there. I'd like to get it recorded and watch it from start to finish. There is some amazing footage.

Those were some tough soldiers. Wonder how todays pushbutton warriors would measure up against them?

Cdat · 11-20-2009, 09:33 AM

They are punks. One-on-one, I could take on any of them. Of course, I don't like beating up on old folk now...

AtlRemodeling · 11-20-2009, 09:40 AM

I haven't had a chance to catch the show on History channel. I wonder if it is the same series that I have "WWII The War Chronicles". It was given to me a few years ago for Christmas and is riveting to watch. It was produced by the History Channel and A&E Channel.

My grandfather served in the Pacific and Korea as a Seabee and after hearing his stories as a kid I have always been deeply intrigued by WWII and the men that served our country.

TBFGhost · 11-20-2009, 10:47 AM

...I doubt it, this is supposed to me mostly brand new footage...

SC sawdaddy · 11-20-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cdat

They are punks. One-on-one, I could take on any of them. Of course, I don't like beating up on old folk now...

If you had n't retired so soon we'd be out of Afghanistan by now.

Cdat · 11-20-2009, 02:11 PM

If I can get my blood sugar levels down, I'll be deployable again and then we'll get that little mess straightened out pronto.

Greg Di · 11-20-2009, 02:34 PM

I've been watching it and thought the same thing...

"My God, those men were tough"

It's really amazing how EVERYONE pulled together and just got shlt done. No matter how hard the task, or how bad the odds were, they just did it.

tomstruble · 11-20-2009, 02:58 PM

i talked with a guy a few years ago ,i was siding a house and the neighbor was watching me,he had to be in his late 70's

i was siting down having lunch and he came over to talk to me
it was a fall day just after 911 any way we started talking about war and he had served during the battle of the bulge,as he was telling me what it was like tears started welling up in his eyes

i just put my hand on his shoulder,i didn't know what else to do
he probably never talked to anyone else about this
that's how those guys are

to this day i feel honored to have heard what he had to say

PrecisionFloors · 11-20-2009, 03:00 PM

Yeah, watching it last night nearly brought me to tears. Iwo Jima and Okinawa were just incredible...they were indeed the Greatest Generation. This is for sure all new footage...some of if very graphic. Imo it should be required viewing for every kid in school.

camaroman2125 · 11-20-2009, 03:19 PM

My grandpa who was navy refuses to talk about it really. He's told me a million times all the places he was, and what he did while on leave, but as far as getting into the details of what happened during battles, he hasn't said a word.

oldfrt · 11-20-2009, 05:06 PM

Every time I catch any of this old footage and see the conditions,types of artillary,the comparatively low tech of weaponry and the types of rations any of these guys dealt with,one question always baffles me.

Why didn't we hear about any post tramatic stress disorder after these guys returned home.
I'm not talking about any basic remorse that may be/not have been apparent,but the deep psycological and disabling depressions that the post Viet Nam and Gulf war soldiers seem to be affltcted with.

Were the older soldiers more attuned to the purpose and justification of past wars?
Were the effects the same,but just repressed?,unpublisized?considered unpatriotic?

I have a real problem when I see friends that had fought struggle with everyday life,and seem to live in some sort of quiet desperation.

Apparently,I was never in the service.
My father fought in WWII,but never spoke of it.

Any insight on this?

Cdat · 11-20-2009, 08:25 PM

Didn't have a name for it back then. I call it: "Can't handle stress and blaming my problems on the world."

tomstruble · 11-20-2009, 11:06 PM

i think a man's honor and integrity meant something back then,i don't know

seemed like a similar time,alot of these guys were young farm boys

volunteering by the millions,almost a half a million didn't make it home

and many returned, missing body parts and horribly injured

this is not meant in anyway to try to diminish the fine brave people who serve today

woodchuck2 · 11-21-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tomstruble

i think a man's honor and integrity meant something back then,i don't know

seemed like a similar time,alot of these guys were young farm boys

volunteering by the millions,almost a half a million didn't make it home

and many returned, missing body parts and horribly injured

this is not meant in anyway to try to diminish the fine brave people who serve today

Well said!!! The fighting men/woman today i think forget how lucky they are for the technology given to them to keep them safe. Back in the day you didnt have a flack vest, no night vision, few machine guns, poor quality clothing, bad water and living conditions. I have always thought the movie "Saving Private Ryan" was a close depiction of what the men went through back then. You know damn well the men were considered expendable, that the men were scared and many knew they wouldnt be returning home. Yet, they willingly joined for the cause and fought to the death to keep us free. I think our society has a knack for forgetting those who served for them and the burden they still carry. IMO our Government should do more for those who served in out militaries past and present.

SC sawdaddy · 11-21-2009, 10:08 AM

Your right Cdat, never heard about any of this PTS crap until they started giving a government check for it.

mikey48 · 11-21-2009, 10:54 AM

Amazing footage. They collected film from all over the world and updated it to HD. What our soldiers went through was unbelievable. At the beginning they show a little blonde girl about two years old sitting on the ground shaking like crazy. One of our GI's was sharing his water with her. Brought tears.

neolitic · 11-21-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by oldfrt

Every time I catch any of this old footage and see the conditions,types of artillary,the comparatively low tech of weaponry and the types of rations any of these guys dealt with,one question always baffles me.

Why didn't we hear about any post tramatic stress disorder after these guys returned home.
I'm not talking about any basic remorse that may be/not have been apparent,but the deep psycological and disabling depressions that the post Viet Nam and Gulf war soldiers seem to be affltcted with.

Were the older soldiers more attuned to the purpose and justification of past wars?
Were the effects the same,but just repressed?,unpublisized?considered unpatriotic?

I have a real problem when I see friends that had fought struggle with everyday life,and seem to live in some sort of quiet desperation.

Apparently,I was never in the service.
My father fought in WWII,but never spoke of it.

Any insight on this?

I grew up surrounded by these guys,
believe me some of them had PTSD,
there just wasn't a name for it.
A few of the worst, folks would whisper about
"shell shock," a lot of them just drank too much....
There were lots of them who the war never
really left alone though.

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Originally Posted by woodchuck2

Well said!!! The fighting men/woman today i think forget how lucky they are for the technology given to them to keep them safe. Back in the day you didnt have a flack vest, no night vision, few machine guns, poor quality clothing, bad water and living conditions. I have always thought the movie "Saving Private Ryan" was a close depiction of what the men went through back then. You know damn well the men were considered expendable, that the men were scared and many knew they wouldnt be returning home. Yet, they willingly joined for the cause and fought to the death to keep us free. I think our society has a knack for forgetting those who served for them and the burden they still carry. IMO our Government should do more for those who served in out militaries past and present.

Today the guys do have a better way
to stay in touch, but that has ups and downs.
They don't however get rotated off the line
on a regular basis as they were supposed
to be @ every 6 weeks in WW II (didn't always
happen then either.)
The "new wars" every place in country is
the front line.

The guy from the 82nd Infantry who was
at the Bulge talking about his trench foot
made Mom cry.
Dad went through the same thing,
and she had never seen pictures of what
trench foot looks like.
Really got to her.
Dad wore a D width shoe when he went in,
EEE the rest of his life.

About the last of the WW II vets I am close to
got the million dollar wounds at Guadalcanal.
Sweetest most soft spoken man I know,
still doesn't talk about his war.

Chris G · 11-21-2009, 12:42 PM

Before you paint the new breed of soldier as something less than manly, you might want to consider some of the realities they are faced with. In Vietnam and the Middle East, attacks were and are so random that I'm not sure the body ever switches off from high alert. You are in an almost permanent state of stress. That has to take a toll.