Tough Crowd - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 01:08 PM

With all due respect, of course, - - isn't a 'tough crowd' exactly what keeps a 'trade-and-technique' information forum honest??

If no one got at least 'challenged', if not even sometimes 'lambasted' for potentially faulty information, - - then that 'wrong' information would get accepted by those who are inexperienced in that particular aspect, - - but trying to learn based on reliable information from (supposedly) those that are more experienced (at least in that particular field).

Oft-times, - - there are several different methods that work, - - none particularly more right or wrong than the other, - - yet the 'banter' it produces gives a great insight to all the pros and cons of each, - - and then leaves the 'learners' some ample ammunition to form their own opinions.

Being supposedly 'afraid of the tough crowd' seems to me to be more of a sign of underconfidence and/or lack of knowledge than a case of some 'multitude' of mean contractors.

A few examples (by memory only) come to mind.

'DMM' humbly introduced herself as no 'authority' on roof shingles, - - but simply asked for help, - - and recieved it with open arms.

'SuperSteve' came on with the 'me-genius-you-moron' attitude, - - then practically got read the 'riot-act', - - and then STILL got accepted.

'Mighty Anvil' comes on armed with enough knowledge that even those that would 'argue' with him end up still respectfully giving him 'due credit'.

For all of the 'supposed' complaining, - - there sure does seem to be a lot of newbies lately, - - and knowledgeable at that (although it's not 'required'). Welcome.

I submit that a greater influx of complaints of a 'tough crowd', - - is not proportionate to the 'toughness' of the crowd, - - but to the increase of the population.

Unfortunately, - - it comes with the turf.

Mike Finley · 10-22-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom R

With all due respect, of course, - - isn't a 'tough crowd' exactly what keeps a 'trade-and-technique' information forum honest??.

Short and simple : no.

It's just a rationalization that a few people to use to describe behavior that everybody else sees as simply a clique.

It ultimately works very effectively to stifle the free exchange of ideas on a forum.

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 02:23 PM

Thank you for disagreeing and effectively making my point.

Those that read both sides can effectively form their own opinions.

Pros and cons, - - the makings of a true forum.

mdshunk · 10-22-2005, 03:20 PM

Tom, if you'd simply condede that you are wrong, everything will be just fine.

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 03:33 PM

My father told me he was only wrong once in his life, - - he accidently 'thought' he had made a mistake!!

plumguy · 10-22-2005, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mdshunk

Tom, if you'd simply condede that you are wrong, everything will be just fine.

Well, let's not single out Tom because he his is in the company of others that like to reach (for lack of a better word) beyond their trade or expertise! This nonsense that they give as advice

ends up causing us more work to sraighten things out, before someone ends up installing and ruining a job .

mdshunk · 10-22-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by plumguy

Well, let's not single out Tom because he his is in the company of others that like to reach (for lack of a better word) beyond their trade or expertise! This nonsense that they give as advice

ends up causing us more work to sraighten things out, before someone ends up installing and ruining a job .

No, Plumguy, I respectfully disagree. Almost everything that has gone wrong in recent history IS Tom's fault. I'm sure that if he humbled himself and did a little introspective thinking on that matter, he would agree. I'm still a little sort at Tom about the recent rise in gasoline prices.

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by plumguy

Well, let's not single out Tom because he his is in the company of others that like to reach (for lack of a better word) beyond their trade or expertise! This nonsense that they give as advice

ends up causing us more work to sraighten things out, before someone ends up installing and ruining a job .

I'm glad YOU said that, - - their's only so many 'truths' one can let out around here without being the 'bad-guy'!!

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mdshunk

No, Plumguy, I respectfully disagree. Almost everything that has gone wrong in recent history IS Tom's fault. I'm sure that if he humbled himself and did a little introspective thinking on that matter, he would agree. I'm still a little sort at Tom about the recent rise in gasoline prices.

You're not upset that I invited 'Wilma' to cross our border??

plumguy · 10-22-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom R

I'm glad YOU said that, - - their's only so many 'truths' one can let out around here without being the 'bad-guy'!!

Hi Tom, How have you been? Now that I have you're attention..which I knew would'nt take long..I'll see you on post #80 or page 5 or is that 6

?!?

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 04:21 PM

Jeez, - - you are a 'tough crowd', - - yeah, probly' about page 6, - - oh, well, it's about dinner-time, - - I guess I better double up on the BASHED POTATOES!!

plumguy · 10-22-2005, 04:25 PM

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Jeez, - - you are a 'tough crowd', - - yeah, probly' about page 6, - - oh, well, it's about dinner-time, - - I guess I better double up on the BASHED POTATOES!!

Let me help!

**Teetorbilt** · 10-22-2005, 05:23 PM

One thing that we should all remember is that we are from different parts of the country and codes are different. Some build to code, others build to maximize profit, others build for a legacy and some build hoping that the inspectors won't catch shortcuts.

Wind speed is a priority here, snow loading is a joke. Last Sept. we had over 40" of rain so drainage is an issue here, it's probably not such an issue in AZ. In short, we all deal with different problems.

I have noticed that some topics diverge into a wrestling match between a few primaries and I'm not excluding myself from the mix. The site is growing and I believe that Nathan is beginning to enjoy the fruits from his labors, we should all respect this.

Tom R · 10-22-2005, 05:27 PM

Excellent points, Teetor, - - and spoken like a true moderator.

King of Crown · 10-22-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Teetorbilt

One thing that we should all remember is that we are from different parts of the country and codes are different. Some build to code, others build to maximize profit, others build for a legacy and some build hoping that the inspectors won't catch shortcuts.

Wind speed is a priority here, snow loading is a joke. Last Sept. we had over 40" of rain so drainage is an issue here, it's probably not such an issue in AZ. In short, we all deal with different problems.

I have noticed that some topics diverge into a wrestling match between a few primaries and I'm not excluding myself from the mix. The site is growing and I believe that Nathan is beginning to enjoy the fruits from his labors, we should all respect this.

one thing i have noticed from this site is that almost everything is done differently here in arizona, and probably california, than it is done over on the other coast

plumguy · 10-22-2005, 09:44 PM

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one thing i have noticed from this site is that almost everything is done differently here in arizona, and probably california, than it is done over on the other coast

I've noticed that myself. On other forums plumbers do things that just would'nt be excepted over here

. Sometimes you feel like you're in different country...well at least I can read their post

.

hauoli63 · 10-23-2005, 04:38 AM

For my worthless 2 cents, I enjoy the banter!!

Tom R · 10-23-2005, 09:43 AM

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For my worthless 2 cents, I enjoy the banter!!

Thanks for 'sharing', hauli, - - so do I, - - but then, I have the advantage of a good 'therapist', - - he had me hang a 'heavy bag' right next to my monitor!!

plumguy · 10-23-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom R

Thanks for 'sharing', hauli, - - so do I, - - but then, I have the advantage of a good 'therapist', - - he had me hang a 'heavy bag' right next to my monitor!!

King of Crown · 10-23-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by plumguy

I've noticed that myself. On other forums plumbers do things that just would'nt be excepted over here

. Sometimes you feel like you're in different country...well at least I can read their post

.

I think its because its growing so fast over here, that they just want to get the house up. and flip it for a profit.