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Old 05-30-2010, 01:24 PM   #61
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:32 PM   #62
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i never said I did that, I said SCREW or shoot. read more carefully!!!!

i have used a combination of both, sometimes just tacking a plate with my powder actuated gun if the concrete is on the softer side, then coming back to screw it with blue screws. or just blue screw it to begin with.

in the right applications. a 2 1 /2 ramset nail will fasten a plate just fine. has nothing to do with being lazy.
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There's another thing I would never do, i.e., "shoot" a plate to concrete.
That's one of the laziest things a carpenter could ever do.
I got two words: TAP CON.
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Don't carry one around w/me on the roof, but I keep one handy for when I need it.
And I didn't say the boards couldn't be reused.
I said I can reuse the screws and I save time by not having
to pull a bunch of nails out so that I can reuse them.
Read more carefully.
Well I guess I must have wasted about 6 bucks in hand spikes in my 25 years then. If your worried about reusing fasteners that hold down temporary bracing, then I can't argue with that "mentality"!
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Mike and screws

I'm doing a custom fence job, and the HO watches Mike every day. So she asks me if I'm using screws. Wonder where she got that from.

Knowing where that's going, I tell her yes, we'll be using screws to attatch the fence boards, but not the horizontal 2x6 that gets fastened to the 6x6 posts.

Why not? She asks. So then I have to explain to her all about sheer load, and why screws are no good in that location, I need to use full 3 1/2" galvanized nails.

Wasting my time, again.
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most homeowners think that screws are better 100% of the time. thanks holmes!!!
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Dude...it's a fence.
It only has to hold itself up.

But, you know, I'm glad there's so many people out there hacking stuff together with nails.
I wipe up after them frequently.
Seems like I do at least one deck or fence repair a year where
some yay-hoo used nails when he should have used screws.
Helps keep me in business.
Somebody is busy making LOTS of friends today. Nice to hear that you find some work once or twice a year. With your attitude, your lucky to find that.
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I'm glad there's so many people out there hacking stuff together with nails.
I wipe up after them frequently.
Seems like I do at least one deck or fence repair a year where
some yay-hoo used nails when he should have used screws.
Helps keep me in business.
Mike?...Mike?.....Is that you? Mike?

That has to be one of the most uneducated statements I've read on this forum to date.
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Dude...it's a fence.
It only has to hold itself up.

But, you know, I'm glad there's so many people out there hacking stuff together with nails.
I wipe up after them frequently.
Seems like I do at least one deck or fence repair a year where
some yay-hoo used nails when he should have used screws.
Helps keep me in business.
Well, mr. expert. this fence is 6x6 posts with double 2x6 on edge both top and bottom, sandwiching the fence boards. So the spikes need to carry the weight of the section.

I am quite confident that I have fogotten more than you know, as I was probably building houses before you were born.

And Yes, I for one am a licensed carpenter. I doubt you are from the knowlege in your replies.
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Dude...it's a fence.
It only has to hold itself up.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you (but perhaps that might be a good thing), but a fence is generally located outside and hence subjected to a great deal of wind loads from time to time. The taller the fence, the greater the potential for loads being placed upon it from wind. This is the very reason most jurisdictions have stringent codes dealing with any fence 8 feet high or above.

Also, nails are far superior in their ability to resist lateral shear over most screws. Screws are generally more likely to fail when subjected to these types of lateral forces due them having a higher carbon content than a typical nail. It is also worth nothing that screws are much stronger because they are cold rolled into their shape. The idea that they are brittle comes from the manufacturing process. The head is formed separately from the threads. The threads are rolled into shape which makes them very strong. The head is machined typically. This makes it weaker than the rest of the screw. It is a lot easier to break the head off a screw than it is to actually break the threaded part. (This is for wood construction screws. Bolts are a different case). Hence, screw heads have the propensity to snap when under enough shear force; however, there is certainly a place in construction for screws (and for nails). Most any given building component has its own pluses and minuses. We, as professionals, should be aware of these and put said knowledge to good use in the field.

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Dude...it's a fence.
It only has to hold itself up.

But, you know, I'm glad there's so many people out there hacking stuff together with nails.
I wipe up after them frequently.
Seems like I do at least one deck or fence repair a year where
some yay-hoo used nails when he should have used screws.
Helps keep me in business.
no one on here has talked about nails for a freakin deck!. you gotta get off your high horse dude. because it's causing more harm than good.
as i have stated before. screws don't need to be used for framing or sheathing. they have their place just as nails do. others have chimed in and offered similar thoughts. not sure what your problem is, but stop putting words in others people's mouth. no one talked about a deck!
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3 more posts and then he can post pics. I can hardly wait!
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Oh, I get the wind load concept, and, significantly more important than the nail vs. screw shear factor, as if this was some secret knowledge that only I have, is how well the posts are anchored. I'm not saying any of you guys do/have done this, but several fence repairs I've done over the years involved some hack digging a hole, dumping a bag of dry mix in it, filling it with water, then planting a post in it as if he were sticking a straw in a shake. I've removed posts that actually had dry mix still in the hole. But I digress...The only nails I would use in fence building would be the ones the string-lines were on.
Good... good. I can only assume then that you misspoke when making the statement that the fence only has to hold itself up. We're all human here and do make mistakes once in a while. I know I have a time or two!
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How did I misspeak? What's a fence holding up besides itself?
Forgive me, but didn't we just talk about this?

Any fence has not only to hold itself up, but also must be able to effectively resist lateral forces imposed upon it by wind and/or seismic activity.
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Y'all take care, now.
Keep hackin' out the nails...

Me and Holmes will be the ones wiping your @$$e$.
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dude, you wiped mike holme's ass? wow, that's not info you really want to put out on the internet. not good for your business image.
what's with all the edited posts? you keep wasting time framing all your projects with screws. i hope you are using drywall screws, coarse thread works best. they last a long time outside too.

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